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Your response to these topics in one short sentence

Gay Marriage: Just because they don't fit in your "book" doesn't mean a thing, let them get married.

Abortion: Too many people on this earth already, keep it legal.

Obama: Yeah, boii.

Mccain: No, your old and going to die soon.

Jesus: I don't believe in him for a second.

Evolution : Sure.

Global Warming : Global what?

George W.: eat my ***

Sex Before Marriage: doin it.

The Drinking Age: keep it the same.

Pot: smoke if you wanna, don't if you don't.

The War: end it.

Meat: eat it.

Tattoos: got em.

The Devil: no way.

Ghosts: you betcha

Aliens: have you not seen ET?

Censorship: leave my music alone.

Magic: I can float.

Love: I'm in it.

Religion: I hate it.

I didn't say that abortions should never be done ...  I simply believe that "abortion on demand," or for any reason other than extreme circumstances (e.g. mother's life is in jeopardy) is wrong, because I see it as taking a human life.

Now, in the spirit of peace, and the fun that this thread was, I'll add my original post to try to get the ball rolling again:

Gay Marriage: Should be banned - Civilizations spanning centuries new better, why don't we?  Homosexuality? Fine between consenting parties.  Civil unions? Also OK.

Abortion: Stop allowing it to be used as contraception - Only in extreme circumstances.

Obama: Charismatic, articulate, nice guy.  Also a liar, and corrupt product of Chicago machine.  Poor judgement as evidenced by Jerimiah Wright, et. al.   Since he'll be our next President, there will be no one happier than me if I'm wrong.

Mccain: Ugh ...  Time to do away with the two party system!!!

Jesus: Not only recognized as historical figure, but also Son of God.

Evolution : Bigger leap of Faith than Jesus!

Global Warming : Not man made

George W.: Nice guy, high principles and would love to hang out with him - wish he would have run the country instead of the evil idiots aroundhim.

Sex Before Marriage: Wish I hadn't ...

The Drinking Age: Increase

Pot: No problem personally, but it is still illegal ...

The War: Which one?  Afghanistan?  Just war.  Iraq?  Don't cut and run, but Iraqi forces have got to step up soon so we can get out!

Meat: Love it!

Tattoos: Have three - Want more

The Devil: Have you seen the Exorcist?  Kidding - Absolutely alive and unfortunately well ...

Ghosts:  ...  Like rattling chains ghosts?  None ...  "Spirits" of the deceased ?? Maybe.

Aliens: Hmmmm...  Pretty arrogant to think we're the only intelligent life forms in this vast universe ....

Censorship: Ratings; good - Censorship; bad

Magic: Chris Angel rocks!

Love: Love it!

Religion: Important - However, Faith is more important than religion ...

Gay Marriage: Marriage entrance is a restricted religious institution, but civil unions are free to all.

Abortion: Personal choice, personal consequences.

Obama: No opinion.

Mccain: No opinion.

Jesus: No opinion.

Evolution : Given long durations of time, small changes can amount to vast differences.

Global Warming : Microscopic "politically correct" view on a macroscopic phenomena that likely humans can't control or affect any better or worse than what already naturally occurs.

George W.: Easy to regret obligating others to die for a poor choice of wars.

Sex Before Marriage: Occurs naturally amonsgt both responsible and irresponsible people all the time.

The Drinking Age: Should be either lowered to the same age as all other "adult" rights, or bring them up to the drinking age, since people are maturing slower these days.

Pot: Something to boil tea water in.

The War: "War" and "Terror" are both concepts to debate in the comfort and safety of your home, not in other countries at the expense of lives.

Meat: Seriously... we're omnivores.

Tattoos: Neat art.

The Devil: No opinion.

Ghosts: If machines have them, why not other complex structures and organisms?  :-)

Aliens: The probability approaches one while the Universe continues to expand without forseeable end.

Censorship: Is for the sheep, since they can't simply make the choice to censor something on their own.

Magic: Would be neat.

Love: Exists for some.

Religion: Exists for some.

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Side note for those interested:

Article IV of the US Constitution:

Section 1

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

Section 2

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, But shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.

Section 3

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

Section 4

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

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No mention of personal rights except Section 2 Line 1, which only explicitly states that people have rights in all states, not simply one.

Gay Marriage: I don't understand the fervor against them--don't like it, don't get one! :-)

Abortion: Personally pro-life but legally pro-choice...old men shouldn't get to dictate what I can or can't do with my body.

Obama: Has shown a lot of class despite all the undeserved ragging he's getting from the Repulicans...McCain has much shadier 'connections' than he does.

Mccain: HE seems like an okay guy but his party has been sucking and playing dirty this election, and Sarah Palin is George W. in a dress. BIG MISTAKE picking her just because she has lady parts.

Jesus: The idea brings peace. :-)

Evolution : Who can really know for sure?

Global Warming : Is not "God hugging us real close". ;-)

George W.: Needs to learn how to say "nuclear".

Sex Before Marriage: Men and cars both need to be taken for a test drive before purchase.

The Drinking Age: Those who enlist to go to war should be able to have a drink before they go.

Pot: Not for me, personally, but no problem with it. Whatever floats your boat!

The War: All we are saaaaaaying is give peace a chaaaaaance...

Meat: Yum!

Tattoos: See 'pot'. ;-)

The Devil: is from Georgia!

Ghosts: I see dead people.

Aliens: Not in our solar system, but in an infinite universe it's hard to imagine that we're the ONLY living organisms. So somewhere, someplace, yes.

Censorship: Is silly.

Magic: Show me a magic trick!

Love: Has kind of lost its meaning with how often the word is tossed around.

Religion: Is your business.

Gay Marriage: I'm totally for it. Marry who you love.

Abortion: Pro-choice, but I believe it's circumstantial.

Obama: If I were old enough, I'd vote for him (I have no clue why this is italicized)

Mccain: I do not like him and I would never vote him, he is bad news.

Jesus: I believe in him (sorry for the random slanted sentences, I have no idea why this is happening >:(  )

Evolution :I don't know.

Global Warming :It's a lost cause to try and stop it now.

George W.:Eh... not great.

Sex Before Marriage: I'm fine with it; I see marriage as optional nowadays.

The Drinking Age: It's fine where it is, I guess.

Pot: I don't smoke it but for the people who do, why punish them?

The War: It's no good but it's out of our hands.

Meat: Is rather tasty.

Tattoos: I would love some.

The Devil: Alive and kicking.

Ghosts:I believe in them.

Aliens: Are possible... the universe IS rather big.

Censorship:Lame; show us as it was meant to be.

Magic: Fun to watch.

Love:Scary.

Religion: I don't believe in organized religion, but rather go on what I believe personally.

Original Post by kaiedt:

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Side note for those interested:

Article IV of the US Constitution:

No mention of personal rights except Section 2 Line 1, which only explicitly states that people have rights in all states, not simply one.

True, but a littlet disingenuous, wouldn't you say?

Look, I'm no Constitutionial Scholar, and I bit on the other person posting Article IV ...  I know better; I should have reviewed/researched before posting ...  Embarassing mistake - Good to be vindicated below though!

Fourteenth Amendment - Section I (Equal Rights)

“ No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The only possible Constitutional argument stands in the definition of "personhood."  I believe it begins at conception.

Gay Marriage: If it cuts down on the promiscuity and rates of HIV infection in the gay community, then it's good.

Abortion: I hope that America doesn't become even remotely close to China's population, yet it just seems utterly barbaric to abort a living fetus. Adopt your kid to Angelina and Brad.

Obama: typical politician that promises to put a soda machine in the gym for all.

Mccain: older typical politician that promises to put a soda machine in the teacher's lounge for a few.

Jesus: He had good intentions, but he created more problems than he solved.

Evolution : One of the most interesting explanations in the history of mankind, yet maybe not correct in explaining mankind.

Global Warming : A hotly debated issue with two sides with opposing opinions spreading propaganda in their own self-interest. A detailed study of the IPCC's fourth assessment on climate change may reveal further and final insight. 

George W.: A liberal's worst nightmare.

Sex Before Marriage: Can prevent the transmission of many diseases and unwed welfare mothers, but infidelity and divorce are always around the corner. 

The Drinking Age: You can get your arms and legs blown off and die from an IED attack in Iraq, bu you can't drink a beer on our soil. Could be dangerous if lowered and result in many fatalities, but that would be within a window of only one to two years before it becomes desensitized and mundane.

Pot: Further studies on the long term effects of it need to be conducted, but overall, it's just another drug that can create a lot of fatalities via motor vehicle accidents.

The War: We have many problems in our own back yard that need to be addressed before becoming another fallen Western Roman Empire from over expansion and petty wars.

Meat: Eat it and enjoy it while you can before it becomes illegal.

Tattoos: An efficient way to transmit Hep C and HIV while making one look trashy as possible.

The Devil: The best friend the church has ever had.

Ghosts: Ghost Hunters on Sci-Fi.

Aliens: I saw a UFO, but not aliens.

Censorship: Most things that I said here will be illegal or political incorrect in five years, and that is so gay. We believe in censorship when it involves hate towards a minority of people. However, that hate is interpreted and made up by the group as a petty means to exercise their power and control over the majority.

Magic: You'll be burned at the stake or have the pear of anguish inserted into your naughty places.

Love: Made a lot of cheesy love songs and wet stains on the mattress. I can't stand people who flaunt their relationships and love, it's utterly pretentious. At least infidelity is love's best friend, and the Coolidge effect will always make men stray from their knightly courtly love chivalric monogamous behavior. 

Religion: An explaination of how things came to be combined with laws to govern civilzatons to avoid Hobbes' state of nature. However, religion has been mistinerptreed and used as justification to commit an infinite amount of war and crimes against humanity. Yet if religion didn't exist, we would always find other things to fight over—communism, democracy, fascism, family, women, the throne. 

Disingenuous is not posting the entire Section I of the XIV Amendment.  You left out the first line which clearly states:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

then as you stated:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Regardless of how you define personhood, being born is already defined.  Also, the Amendment is denying the States the right to act on people.  Not people from acting on themselves.  One of the majorly accepted definitions of life is also that it is self-sustaining.  A fetus is not self-sustaining and cannot live without taking energy and nourishment from the womans body.  Thus, a woman acting on herself to remove a part of herself, without causing permanent physical harm, the State has no say in creating a law to prevent this.

Not disingenuous, but IMO irrelevant  - I didn't post the rest of the amendment either.  And let me state again that I do not advocate outlawing abortion.  I oppose abortion, except for in the most extreme circumstances. I do believe that that children shoud be made to have parental consent, but that's another issue ...

That said:  You make the argument (or parrot the legalese) that has been made, I assume, since Roe v Wade ...  However, to follow that argument out logically regarding the definition of life, i.e., that "it is self sustaining" ; critically injured or ill people (which happens to be my area of expertise) who require life sustaining measurements should not receive that treatment.  Similarly the elderly and infirm who require life supportive care, should not receive it.  Minimally, it should be our decision to "act on ourselves" be it as a family, a community, a society ... to rid us of our pesky grandparents, or parents, or disabled children, right?  We might as well euthanize them all ...  After all, it seems to me that by your definition it's just abortion at the other end of life. 

In my view, this is where that argument falls apart - You can't have it both ways.

Lastly, I would say that the death (of the infant) certainly causes permanent physical harm.

I see the beginning line of Section 1 of Amendment XIV as relevant to the legal and moral guideline that the States and the Federal Government do not have the rights to interfere with a persons right to act upon themselves when it does not cause undue burden or harm upon others.

Have what both ways?

The connection of ailed/crippled/hurt and people in similar states to the undeveloped fetus is not a connection I made, nor intended to make.  I don't logically follow your leap.  Self-sustaining in the definition of life is to provide for oneself by ability.  These people have the ability, but are incapable to act because of an outside affliction.  A fetus doesn't have the ability.

Acting as an efficient society that minimalizes based on production output or some other metric, then that society would agree with your postulate and remove the people that "cost" more than they "produce".

I don't see the connection between stating that a woman can remove a part of herself without killing herself and those without the capability to take care of themselves should be euthanized.

An infant is a born child.

Willing removal of a non-malignant part of your own body may not cause permanent physical damage, but I believe it causes long-term, if not permanent mental damage.  It's an extreme behavior, but creating a new life is also an extreme behavior.  The responsibility of taking care of another life is often trivialized by many parents that simply procreate for their own selfish reasons or lack of responsibility.

Can you give a quick outline of your statement "I do believe that that children should be made to have parental consent"?

To the other posters (and Kaiedt):  I'm taking this conversation to a personal message, as to not further detract from the initial post.

Original Post by dotje82:

Obama: he has monkey ears and he reminds me of hitler.

Umm, this Hitler reference is scary. Could you elaborate on why you feel this way? 

because of how charismatic he is, and how he tries to make everyone believe we should tax the wealthy and "spread around the money." not only would it make the economic situation worse but the idea of equal money amongst the people is part of socialism.

Original Post by ewwxroflzz:

Original Post by dotje82:

Obama: he has monkey ears and he reminds me of hitler.

Umm, this Hitler reference is scary. Could you elaborate on why you feel this way? 

because of how charismatic he is, and how he tries to make everyone believe we should tax the wealthy and "spread around the money." not only would it make the economic situation worse but the idea of equal money amongst the people is part of socialism.

Hitler was a socialist? haha..

Original Post by fortius:

Original Post by ewwxroflzz:

Original Post by dotje82:

Obama: he has monkey ears and he reminds me of hitler.

Umm, this Hitler reference is scary. Could you elaborate on why you feel this way?

because of how charismatic he is, and how he tries to make everyone believe we should tax the wealthy and "spread around the money." not only would it make the economic situation worse but the idea of equal money amongst the people is part of socialism.

Hitler was a socialist? haha..

hitler=nazi=national socialist

The Nazis called themselves The National Socialist German Workers' Party, but they weren't by definition true socialists.

This link addresses the question more in depth. This is not my strong area, but I never thought of nazis as true socialists, despite their name.

::anticipates getting wealthy off pending 2.4% Obama taxcut::

::agrees to donate food to the previously weatlhy after their tax increase::

Gay Marriage: I'm for it.

Abortion: Keep it legal.

Obama: America's solution.

Mccain: If he gets elected and croaks, we'll be stuck with Palin. 

Jesus: I think of him the way I think of Buddha. A role model.

Evolution :Yes.

Global Warming: Whether or not it's "real", we still need to stop polluting frivolously.

George W.: Can't wait til he's gone.

Sex Before Marriage: Whatever.

The Drinking Age: keep it the same. It's not like minors don't drink anyway, and it's not like they'll drink less if you lower it.

Pot: Legalize it. Tax it. Fix the damn economy.

The War: end it.

Meat: sure.

Tattoos: None.

The Devil: is hatred or indifference, be it to the well-being of ourselves or others.

Ghosts: I don't think I care.

Aliens: ???

Censorship: Just turn off your damn telly.

Magic: I LOVE magic!

Love: is good.

Religion: stay away from my laws, and it's all good.

GM: Not really.

AB: babies aren't criminals, so why destroy them like they are?

OBAMA: Intelligent and creative, just not the whole package

McCain: More pro military, and has a sense of humor!

Jesus: Sure, why not?

Evolution: HECK YEAH!!

Global warming: normal trend for the Earth, has happened before. Think dinosaurs.

GW: Just a president. Will trade in for a new one in a few months

SBM: Not the best idea in the world, but oh so fun!

Drinking age: If I can die for my country at 18, then I should be able to have a beer before I go!

Pot: Tax it like cigaretts, but keep the growth tightly controlled. Think moonshine

War: Can't leave until the job is done. I would hate to have another "Fall of Saigon"

Meat: DELISH IN MY DISH

tatoos: none

The Devil: can't have light w/o the dark.

Ghosts: sure

Aliens: Universe is huge. They just don't like us!

censorship: can be a drag sometimes

magic: Creepy, smiley manacured magicians!

Love: is the soul's song out loud

Religion: part of human life

Original Post by ewwxroflzz:

Original Post by dotje82:

Obama: he has monkey ears and he reminds me of hitler.

Umm, this Hitler reference is scary. Could you elaborate on why you feel this way? 

because of how charismatic he is, and how he tries to make everyone believe we should tax the wealthy and "spread around the money." not only would it make the economic situation worse but the idea of equal money amongst the people is part of socialism.

 How can spreading around the money make the economy worse?? And what does Hitler have to do with economy.  The only connection is the word socialist.  Americans throw it around like it's a dirty word without knowing anything about the ideology, or the practice.  Many European countries have thrived (yes, economically!) on socialist governments.  Look at Scandinavia, especially Sweden.  Aside from that, Obama's policy is nothing near socialism.  So I still don't get your connection with Hitler.  And I find your remarks about his ears bordering on racism.

edit: not worth it

Original Post by ignayshus:

edit: not worth it

 Wow.

Iggy's saying that a post isn't worth it.

That's sayin' something. :D