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Why do guys lie (For Guys)?

Okay, this is a question for the very small contingent of guys out there.

I've noticed on multiple posts that men will try to repsond by saying something to the effect, "Men like a little meat on your bones".  My hypothesis is that this comment could be a result of a handful of different thought processes and I'm trying to figure out which one.

1. Standard guy attempt to pick up said girl through compliment (insincere). 

2. Man X has been overweight, therefore has lower standards and thus is more accustomed to heavier women.

3. Truth, guy just digs heavier women.

4. Encouragement...probably insincere...but just trying to be encouraging in their weight loss efforts.

5. Other...I had one more but forgot what it was...

See, I just don't see it.  I understand to each their own...but everytime I hear a guy say that, it makes me immediately think they are either lieing or have low standards.  Because to be totally honest...I've never met a guy that would take Rosanne Barr (minus the personality) over a swimsuit model.  I mean, okay, if you're debating between a runway model and a size 8 woman...maybe you guy size 8 because a girl that is "too" skinny is kind've gross...but when guys say things like "Paris Hilton is too skinny...I'd rather have a plus size woman any day!"  What!  That's rediculous!  Knowing guys, it makes me think that the same exact guy is on an eating disorder website posting that Ally McBeal is too fat.

I mean, I understand choice 1, 2 and even 4...but choice 3 is called a "fetish"...not a preference in my opinion.  And 2 quick rules...

1. This is meant to be an honest discussion, it is not meant to offend, and please don't respond with the Oprah/Tyra/Ellen answer of "loving people for their inner beauty...because I ate a pear today that isn't sitting well and I don't want it to come up.  Will some women find this topic offensive?  I haven't met a group of women where at least one didn't find something offensive so probably yes.  And I'm sure at least one guy will as well to try to impress said woman from aforementioned group.  I didn't post this in the "motivation and support" forum...just in the lounge...fun discussion...if it raises your blood pressure...there are thousands of posts about bunnies, and flowers, and Martha's new recipe for Almond pie that you can post at...just hit the back button once and breathe.

2. The answer, "I like bigger women because they are more willing to do "X, Y and Z"...to me that's a horrible answer because that's nothing more than preying on low self esteem.  I understand a swimsuit model would probably have higher expectations and be "high maintenance", but meeting higher expectations isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I don't know why guys lie...for guys...I'm sure they aren't all like that, but I have seen it happen.....But it could possibly go the other way in some circumstances.

Woo hoo pillow fight!!!

Each of your 'societal examples' is equally as flawed. Because each one is based on the assumption that you speak for all men, and that you know all women.

That you are, somehow, qualified to address a collection of rather intelligent women as if you and only you know the truth.

You make ridiculously misogynistic statements and then whine because the response is not civil?

again. good luck on your journey.

#77 jules, oh stop hahahaaa haa

caloricat you may be getting ripped to bits but I've got to say this thread has made me laugh so much so for that much I have to say thank you for starting it.

Original Post by andie-joe:

can't help but wonder why only one guy has joined in and even he got out early on?

I'm eating popcorn watching OP make a fool of himself. It's all good. 

Does anyone else find it as hilarious (and as appropriate) as I do that the OP's avatar is a picture of a pig costume?

^^5 itsbutters hahaaa haaa

{Butters}

You know ladies this is the most female attention the op has probably ever had by the opposite sex.

How can anyone take the op seriously, he's resorted to trotting out a gossip rag trollop and a sit com star from the 80's to push his delusional point, pathetic really.

It's obvious he's just into sport Effing.

85:  Wow, you're very logical for a woman!  Most of us are too irrational to make that edit:  connection.  Sorry, can't type, in a tizzy.

Oh, and I'm offended.  ;)

like OMG meagan you are right, i was totally too busy freaking OUT to notice the pig!

*paints her nails and reads US Weekly*

*sniffs men's cologne as they walk by*

*takes her own advice and drinks the STFU cool-aid*

I'm always happy to offend a friend. ;)

**dumps some vodka into the kool-aid**

goes to get a box of tissues, laughing sooo hard!

I'll give this little cookie an hour before we're doing the no-pants dance.  Time to musk up.

oh wow! take me to Pleasure Town!!

Maybe he needs to read the cooked testicles thread as well.

oh we're going.

#96 yes i think he does haaahaa

I think he has run for cover and to put some tcp on the scratches ;-))

Original Post by kathygator:

Each of your 'societal examples' is equally as flawed. Because each one is based on the assumption that you speak for all men, and that you know all women.

That you are, somehow, qualified to address a collection of rather intelligent women as if you and only you know the truth.

You make ridiculously misogynistic statements and then whine because the response is not civil?

again. good luck on your journey.

 How is asking men which of 5 (one being "other") reasons they believe to be the reason for something; "me speaking for them".  Did you even read the original question?

And yes, I have the right to "whine" about the responses. 

For one, the responses are no longer material, just a bunch of personal attacks and nonsense. 

Second, if I were to respond by lowering myself to that type of behavior...then I'd be the one getting a not so nice note from a mod saying, "Hey, read the rules about posting and not making said statements...etc..."

And finally, it's a completely juvenile response to say that because you don't like somone's point of view, that it in some way JUSTIFIES personal attacks and this type of behavior.  I would understand if I was trolling someone elses thread or calling people names or making personal attacks...but I think I've been pretty fair and non-emotional.

Ok.  I am reminded that although an....interesting debate...It has somewhat gotten off topic.

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