Karate, UFC, WEC
So I’ve been training Karate for a while now, and the time will soon come for me to start teaching it.
I’m also undecided as to what pro league I want to go into…weather is be UFC WEC or WCL…they all have their benefits, Pros and cons. I’m leaning more towards either the WEC or WCL. I’m not a big fan of Dana White being head of UFC, but I do like the competition the UFC has to offer. Anyone else interested in Karate, MMA, and other styles of fighting?...anyone currently doing some style…I’m not a fan kickboxing either (although it is a super great workout for those who want good cardio…you know….something different than running on the treadmill)…a little soft to me as far as the training goes, but I guess it depends where you go….been to like 4 schools…they were all very very easy. To me Kyokushin karate was the HARDEST training I’ve done in my life. A couple UFC fighters and almost all K-1 fighters get their start in Kyokushin. They breed some of the best stand-up fighters in the world.
What are you interested in?
Original Post by eddiepotter:
I’m leaning more towards either the WEC or WCL. I’m not a big fan of Dana White being head of UFC, but I do like the competition the UFC has to offer.
Doesn't the UFC own the WEC?
I don't think anyone really gets to jump right into the UFC or WEC or any of the other top self shows unless they're already pretty well known (i.e. Brock Lesner). You'd most likely have to start out in some of the smaller, local shows and work your way up to the mid-level promotions (king of the cage, cage rage, etc) and then hope to get noticed by the big shows.
Original Post by floggingsully:
Original Post by eddiepotter:
I’m leaning more towards either the WEC or WCL. I’m not a big fan of Dana White being head of UFC, but I do like the competition the UFC has to offer.
Doesn't the UFC own the WEC?
I don't think anyone really gets to jump right into the UFC or WEC or any of the other top self shows unless they're already pretty well known (i.e. Brock Lesner). You'd most likely have to start out in some of the smaller, local shows and work your way up to the mid-level promotions (king of the cage, cage rage, etc) and then hope to get noticed by the big shows.
not sure...
yes I understand...but...you do not have to be known in on of those venues...for example...Ewerton Tiexera was on of the best Kyokushin fighters in the world...he had the choice of going to any organization...and chose K1....
Eventually I think I could be world champion, and in 4 years I would love to be in one of these organizations. I train with two Former UFC fighters..back when hair pulling and and some illegal techniques were legal...lol
What are UFC, WEC, etc.? Does it relate to tournament karate?
It's cool you're going to start teaching officially!
well just if you didnt know dana white is also the head of the wec, it is a lower "up and comer" circuit for the ufc...good luck with that though martial arts are terrific and very rewarding...hope to see you kickin ass soon!
Well, Eddie, you know I love UFC, but whatever you choose, I'll watch you :)
Uggghhh....I gotta give it to him though...he's a good businessman....can't stand him though.
I think the owners of UFC - the Fertittas - are better businessmen than Dana White is. He just knows how to create hype.
Original Post by purespark:
I think the owners of UFC - the Fertittas - are better businessmen than Dana White is. He just knows how to create hype.
True dat...I just wanna kick his ass...
He used to be an amateur boxer but I have no doubt that you could take him easily. :)
Original Post by purespark:
He used to be an amateur boxer but I have no doubt that you could take him easily. :)
easily...i don't know...i'm only 189LBS...it wouldn't bee too easy...les I keep him standing..lol..he's too heavy for me on the ground.
Original Post by purespark:
I think the owners of UFC - the Fertittas - are better businessmen than Dana White is. He just knows how to create hype.
The Fertitas are close friends of Dana White and are just investors in the business. Aside from providing the capital, they were barely involved in the revival of the sport. Dana White was the mastermind of it all. Props to him... although he seems to have let his fame go to his head.
I love MMA & Muay Thai & it's a lot more than just a "cardio workout." If you don't like kickboxing then UFC is obviously not for you.
Original Post by freshbakedpi:
I love MMA & Muay Thai & it's a lot more than just a "cardio workout." If you don't like kickboxing then UFC is obviously not for you.
lol...whoa there....I've taken down about 6 kick boxers within less than three minutes in my fighting career...from what I know...they are not as good as I expected. On the other hand...the art that does give me quite a bit of trouble are the Frenchman's Savte...they are so so so fast with their feet, but it's just like kickboxing....but with more skill. UFC is NOT Kickboxing.
Agree that Dana White has been instrumental in the recent explosive popularity of UFC - but the Fertittas are definitely more than just providers of capital, IMO. I found this Forbes article interesting.
Original Post by eddiepotter:
Original Post by freshbakedpi:
I love MMA & Muay Thai & it's a lot more than just a "cardio workout." If you don't like kickboxing then UFC is obviously not for you.
lol...whoa there....I've taken down about 6 kick boxers within less than three minutes in my fighting career...from what I know...they are not as good as I expected. On the other hand...the art that does give me quite a bit of trouble are the Frenchman's Savte...they are so so so fast with their feet, but it's just like kickboxing....but with more skill. UFC is NOT Kickboxing.
Savate. Obviously you realize there are several forms of martial arts labeled as kickboxing. Just because you happen to fight 6 "kickboxers" who apparently suck doesn't mean kickboxing doesn't involve skill. Have you fought a Thai boxer (aka Muay Thai)?
"Ultimate Fighting is a proprietary term of the UFC. It is defined as mixed martial arts competition between high level professional fighters who utilize the disciplines of jiu-jitsu, karate, boxing, kickboxing, wrestling, and other forms in UFC live events. "
Original Post by freshbakedpi:
Original Post by eddiepotter:
Original Post by freshbakedpi:
I love MMA & Muay Thai & it's a lot more than just a "cardio workout." If you don't like kickboxing then UFC is obviously not for you.
lol...whoa there....I've taken down about 6 kick boxers within less than three minutes in my fighting career...from what I know...they are not as good as I expected. On the other hand...the art that does give me quite a bit of trouble are the Frenchman's Savte...they are so so so fast with their feet, but it's just like kickboxing....but with more skill. UFC is NOT Kickboxing.
Savate. Obviously you realize there are several forms of martial arts labeled as kickboxing. Just because you happen to fight 6 "kickboxers" who apparently suck doesn't mean kickboxing doesn't involve skill. Have you fought a Thai boxer (aka Muay Thai)?
Well they didn't necessarily suck, but kick-boxers have a way of telegraphingtheir moves before they actually commit to it. Therefore..they are pretty easy to beat once you get into their rhythm. I sometimes fight as a passive fighter...and just counter if the fighter happens to be stronger than me, but I find that with most kick-boxers...once you figure out their rhythm...the game is pretty much over unless they have some tricks up their sleeve. I've fought a couple Muithai fighters...they are one of the hardest, but I still haven't lost to one yet...although one of them broke two of my ribs in the past....they use so much energy for one kick it's crazy...very very devastating art...I've trained in MT as well...not as much as I would have liked though.
by you saying they suck...you're implying that I have no skill...hehehe
I just have an advantage over most fighters...since I played soccer for 9 years...I developed stamina, and strong legs, and since I ran track and field professionally I developed hip flexibility, and what they call..Gumby legs...I can kick a person in the head if they were standing 12 inches away from me.
I'm just working on my quest to be one of the best....but i'm far from there yet. If I thought I didn't have more to learn then I would be foolish.
I have done tang soo do for 12 years, jujitsu for 12 years, boxing for 3 years and wrestling for 6 years (both high school and NCAA), on top of strength training and running daily. I'd have to say that neither syle if the most effective. I think that you need to be able to be well versed at striking (boxing and tang soo do), wrestling, and grappling (jujitsu) to be a great MMA fighter. I hate when people say that one type of style is "better" than another, it's a little ignorant.
Btw how would you go about getting into MMA professionally. I have been training sooo hard forever but I have no idea how to go about it.
Original Post by xmohamm1:
I have done tang soo do for 12 years, jujitsu for 12 years, boxing for 3 years and wrestling for 6 years (both high school and NCAA), on top of strength training and running daily. I'd have to say that neither syle if the most effective. I think that you need to be able to be well versed at striking (boxing and tang soo do), wrestling, and grappling (jujitsu) to be a great MMA fighter. I hate when people say that one type of style is "better" than another, it's a little ignorant.
Btw how would you go about getting into MMA professionally. I have been training sooo hard forever but I have no idea how to go about it.
Well here is the way I look at it...I don't think it's ignorant at all to say one is "better" than the other...it would be better to say one has more benefits than the other...but to me that's just a sugar coating for..."it's better".
it's a matter of personal preference. If one style is kept traditional, and another has the traditional aspect as well, with some added techniques of self defense...I would think that it's safe to say one is slightly better than the other. Nobody is crapping on other styles...I'm just stating that I feel it's more beneficial to train in certain ones than others...Like I'd rather train Brazilian JJ because they have a really good track record for producing some of the worlds best fighters...simple as that.
as far as getting into professional...it's mostly who you know, and what camp you're with, but some places do have applications and tryouts to be on travel teams and stuff, and you will be seen my top people eventually...you just have to stand out. my ground game is not terrible, but it's not good enough..lol, but my stand up is good. I have a skill for popping people just as they shoot on me, but once in a while I get caught...I just flip around like a fish to get out quickly...lol
a lot of people say they train hard because they put in Hours...I don't consider hours of training to be the ultimate "thing". I think if you do the basic movements in each art to the best of your ability...each and every punch, kick , throw...etc... with all your strength you'll realize how much you don't know your body, and you'll see that you have much much more potential than you originally thought. From what you put down...it seems like you are reaching your goals, and doing very well.
in my main art,...we don't wear gloves or pads or any type of protection from day 1...so our bones and muscles are use to taking full contact punches...this is why when I fight TKD people, and hit them once the wince feeling this type of hard blow.
bjj is pretty cool. I love ufc
im going otufc 97 in montreal next month :D
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