Are Our Lives Destined by Fate?

I for the best part have always believed that we are in charge of our own Destiny, but I have had occasions to doubt this and wonder if Fate actually controls it!

I have set out on a path that I have thought was the best one to take, but then part way along it things would seem to turn against me and I feel like I am being pushed into taking a completely different direction.

Is it coincidence or is there something else at play to put me on the path that I should be on?

What are your thoughts?

ha ha ha littlest hobo, yeah I guess I might be the human form, but no where near as cute.......and yeah catchy tune. It was shown over here and I loved it. I had a mixture of wanting him to stay and be loved, but I also wanted him to go so he could touch another persons life in the same way.

add in: I always thought he was a cross between a husky and a GS? because of the colours

Wow, great forum! PG, you are very much like me in your thoughts on our existence. Check out Ken Wilber's AQAL model (image). It's very interesting what he's come up with, detailing how he interprets human evolution and our stages of development. It's true that we are all at different stages in our 'spiritual' development.

I definitely believe we reincarnate. An interesting book on the subject is Journey of Souls, by Newton. Unlike so many books about NDE's where the discussion is about the experience of death, he actually discusses what happens between lives. He is a PhD who specializes in hypnosis. He happened, rather by accident, onto a client's experience during a regression (in this life) when he/she fell into a place between lives. He has since devoted his practice to studying it. I find it fascinating.

I think there is a sort of tendency with how things play out in the physical realm. We can observe life paths (from the other side) and choose earth spirits (which drive the physical body) with which to commune while here, and some of us can even choose who we will form important ties with while here. But we are not in control, nobody or thing is. It's kinda like setting up dominoes. You can arrange 'em, but there's no guarantee they will fall where you plan for them to. A wind can up and blow just one outta whack and the whole plan is changed. But there is a wisdom to reading the tendencies of life paths and how they interconnect. It can be read and some of the spirits who do this and advise or actually incarnate on their own wisdom are sometimes referred to as "guides" or "guardian angels". They are simply more experienced souls, older souls.

Moonikins: I have parents who prolly should not have had kids as well. So I know what you mean. Though I was raised only by my mother, she was plenty abusive. It wasn't until this year that I finally came to terms with the understanding that I chose this. I do not believe I knew exactly what would occur, but I did know, on the other side, what the choice points were and what the chances were that things would go in what direction. It was not, as I thought it must be if I chose this life, that I had some huge karmic debt to pay. I was overly optimistic about the woman who would be my mother, and she made some disappointing decisions at her choice points, but I have come to terms with it and I have learned some amazing things from it. I had a deep karmic connection to the being which inhabits the person who was my mother in this life. I had to sever it if she was not to overcome the downward spiral her soul was, is in. When I finally did realize and accept that I chose the possibilities that this lifetime could bring on, I found some peace with it. The thing that gave me the most grief was two-fold, 1) that if my own mother could be so cruel, then I am afraid of others, really afraid, and 2) nothing was as I thought it was anymore. My whole perspective shifted. I mean, I had no idea that the woman I loved so dearly and called mother was capable of something so utterly cruel and horrific. And she was. But when I gained that perspective, I could look back on all the cruelties she dished out to me and others and it made sense. I realized it wasn't me who had the problem, as she had me convinced, and my whole internal world changed.

I know this is getting kinda personal, but bear with me, please. I think it's impossible to truly communicate the sort of context I am writing about without empathy. So I am painting an emotional picture, if you will, to be better understood. Some concepts cannot actually be communicated except via empathy. There are actually some ppl on this planet who cannot experience it. My mother was one. It's how she was capable of being so cruel.

So I think we have some modicum of control over the course of our lives, but I have to say that, when I have been in a real bind, and I have been in some real hard binds, 90% of the time, the solution came from somewhere I never thought of. It wasn't for a lack of intelligence or clarity, just wasn't an option until the last minute. So some things we should be aware of and see them coming, others we aren't to see. And if we did, we might not experience it all the way we need to while here. After all, we are here for the purpose of experience. Things are different on the other side. You feel it, really feel it and it manifests. Here, it takes blood, sweat & tears to accomplish even the most minor task, relatively speaking. So there is much to be learned here about the stuff of matter. We are all progressing, well, maybe not all, but that's the idea anyway. We are Gods/Goddesses in training, so to speak. So if we are to be moving matter from behind the curtain, we must have firsthand understanding of it's nature and essence. We incarnate. We learn. We grow, hopefully. And from what I hear, Earth is a fast learning space, like one of the hardest of all arenas in which to incarnate. But it's a fast track because of the indifference Gaia has agreed to incarnate as.

Maybe that was a bit much, but I just love talking about this sort of thing. It's basically, semi-controlled chaos. Like an experiment.

If anyone wants to PM me about this I am totally open to discussion. I live for this.

So....where to begin! My oh my. You know, it's rather frustrating to watch from the sidelines during work all day, lol. I'm like - I want to reply to that! I have thoughts! But....I'd end up spending like 30-45 minutes on one post! lol. I have time to spare at the moment though. So here goes.  MSPW - seriously...be long winded. I don't think we care anymore. At least, I don't, lol. I never did though!

Anndjoe - I am not sure I like the equal circle of pain and pleasure. I'm not saying that I disagree because I have this feeling that there is balance in the world, but it's like this: I have thought about this sort of thing for a while and I reached an interesting idea a few weeks ago that was new to me. It supports the idea of being neutral and possibly selfish. Basically - if I'm doing good that means that somewhere out there someone is doing bad to balance me. The question then becomes would that person do bad if I wasn't doing good? I guess that one comes down to your beliefs. I was disturbed by the possibility of it and I tossed it into the back of my mind so that I wouldn't have to deal with the potential of it. That was a few months ago and now I'm bringing it back.

I agree with the other posters sentiment on your views and their relation to your happiness. Your restless spirit is interesting as an idea but I'm sorry that you've not found the happiness you seek yet. It seems related to your idea of having a purpose for yourself. How are you going about your purpose? I'm not sure how to show/teach someone to find their purpose because I kind of stumbled upon mine. I'll relate a little of that here to you so that maybe this will help you settle your mind and heart.

Like I said I'm empathic. And not just a little, quite a lot when I'm feeling sensitive, and especially when I was younger and didn't learn to how to put up quite as good a shield as I do now. For instance - there is one movie (and wouldn't you know I can't remember the name?) that stands out in my mind because I can't watch it. It is the movie where global warming goes crazy, out of hand and drastic weather conditions start to hit all of the earth (New York floods and goes into an ice age, There are tornadoes in England that kill the queen, flooding and fires all over the world, massive destruction). I couldn't sit through this. Even in a movie all the pain and suffering that they were showing were too much for me. I couldn't handle it. It was really making me hurt and I just had to leave every 10 minutes or so. I'd go away and then come back a little while later and continue watching with my family, they understood. The point...yes. So I don't like and can't stand others getting hurt. I'm not violent though (it takes a bit to stir me to physical action) so I couldn't really go down the route of some sort of physical protector (police or army or something. Not saying they have to be violent, I am just saying it's not in me to be forceful like that under most situations). I also love children. I love working with them, seeing them learn, playing with them and making their lives happy. There are lots of children in the world who are unwanted, unhappy, who aren't loved. I decided that I have a big enough heart and a big enough head to look after them. So I am going to start an orphanage. I'm going to run one in the future. Whether I fund it myself or not it will happen. I will find a way to make it work. It's my purpose. I've decided I want to touch the lives of as many kids as possible and they will be my work in the world. They will spread themselves over the world and hopefully continue doing some good. I chose things that I like and things that will make me happy. Things that have always brought a smile to my face. What things do that for you?

Mooni - I'm sorry to hear you had it so rough but I'm glad of the person you've become through it. Thanks for sharing the emotions, it's nice to know that there are others out there who have the same struggles with the ideas as I do. My parents are convinced that we chose them, and are very grateful for it (as my brothers and I are of them). I think that the idea that we choose what happens to us in this life may have been one of the reasons my parents were able to deal well with my youngest brothers passing. My little brother had a twin at birth, and both were born 3 months premature. Phillip (the one who did not survive) managed to live 8 hours after he was born before his little lungs collapsed. My parents have never spoken of this with sadness, although you can tell there is some remorse there for him. The reason is that they chose to see Phillips death as giving my other brother Matt life. They were sad that one passed but happy that one managed. They decided though that that was a sign that they had enough children.

A lot of what you're saying about lessons have been thoughts that have gone through my head. I've given consideration to how I want to raise my kids already (I really want to do a good job, lol). I don't want them to face the same hardships that I did but I think they deserve to have a rough life. They deserve the chance to build character on their own and show who they are. They deserve the chance to fall and pick themselves up again. I have learned a lot by observing what mistakes my parents have made. It's been one of the best things for me to see growing up - how things can be better. Your soul isn't putting "you" through such crap either - it's doing it to itself. You and your soul are intertwined. I think you've done well to improve life for your children.

(I'm moving down the posts responding, so I apologize if this seems disjointed at all). Sending energy to the baby actually took me a lot of practice. The first few times I tried it I didn't really have any effect, but after a bit more practice, trying different phrases and tones and thoughts in my head I found a manner of it that seems to work well. Your story of the lady who was brought back has made me decide to increase what I do. I'm not traditionally religious but whenever I hear sirens I cross myself and pray for strength, easing of pain and easing of hardship for those involved in the incident and for all the loved ones of those involved. I've been doing that for about 6 or 7 years. Only 2 people have ever noticed it, lol. You guys get to hear all about it though! I'm going to start repeating similar statements in my head now. I did it tonight when I heard some sirens.


Nomo - lol. I'm disappointed that I didn't point that out before you about gravity. I don't know how I missed it, clearly I'm not a good enough engineer. Alas! I'm glad you're enjoying.

Kathy - sorry, not much to say about ghosts. I haven't given them much thought other than that I believe that some sort of supernatural phenomena does happen. I think I believe in them, but I don't know if I would believe in it if it happened to me. Odd.

Julie - Yours is a valid way of life. Personally I enjoy wasting my time thinking about this sort of stuff. Contemplating the future and how things work makes me happy. Sometimes I stumble onto something cool. It does take up a lot of my time though, and as such it tends to happen most when there is a lot of extra spare time in my life. I think that the way you live, in a way that is fulfilling to yourself is the way we should all do things. As long as you're happy with your own life then there is nothing else to strive for. It's your life afterall. Whatever works for you. There were definitely times when things didn't come together in a preordained manner. The lessons were passed around on those days.

mom6 - You've quoted what I believe to be the most profound futurama quote that exists. I recall that quote well because I thought it was deceptively true. Unexpected from a cartoon. The truth is that I doubt we can ever know if there is a higher drive to us - as Julie put it"If there are true answers, they will be revealed when the time comes." I'd like to believe in one anyway though.

Trustwomen - Your idea of choosing your own narrative reminds me of a one of a kind experience I once had. A friend of mine was attracted to a girl, this girl didn't want to drive and visit him alone so she brought a friend along. He didn't want to meet these two girls alone and brought me along as support for himself. He and this girl were mutually attracted. Now this other girl, the one that was brought along for support was quite possibly one of the most vile human beings I have ever met. I was at the time quite, quite shy and insecure. She was rude to me, a jerk, negative and a downright b**** the whole time she was there. That is all I can say. I can't remember anything else. The fact that I remember her at all is a forceful act of my willpower. Basically, a week after I met her I was talking to someone else, and for the life of me I couldn't remember what I did that afternoon. I spent a good day and half thinking about it before it hit me - I met her. I had blocked it from my mind because she was THAT horrible of a person. I had no desire to remember someone like her. I do now of course but only because I choose to. I can't be sure if anything like that has happened since but I doubt it.

The golden rule - treat others as you want to be treated. It works so well. If you're nice and friendly with people most will be nice and friendly back to you. It's worked wonders for me in life. I agree - the world is only as good as you make it. You can finder happiness and good anywhere that you are willing to look for it. I liked your posts a lot, very well worded and thought out. The narrative of your life is an idea that is new to me and I find it intriguing. I may steal it, hehe. Adapting it to fit my own needs, of course.

This is me tactfully ignoring the littlest hobo. *tact* *tact* *tact*

Wee!

MSPW - I need to reread your post and give it some more thought before I respond. This is mostly due to the fact that I've already spent an hour here thinking and typing and I think I'm going to miss something if I try right now. I respect your struggle and I'm glad you've found a way to manage lifes trials.

One thought - this relates to what Anndjoe mentioned about balance and my own idea. I would like to pose the question to all who believe that the world is balanced in good and bad - Does this not mean that your own good actions are creating an equal bad? (feel free to answer if you don't believe too. I'm not a jerk like that. I choose different ways to be a jerk!)

Thoughts? :D

Decars, I see where you are coming from with your thoughts on the circle of pain. I was looking at it more in the way of for every pain you feel/emotional there is something good that can be taken out of it and for every bad day you will have a good day. I hadn't actually been looking at it as a bigger circle, but yes it happens that way too. Right now all over the world there are terrible things happening to individuals, it's a fact of life, it's not nice but that is the way it happens. The sun can't rise without the moon going down in other words there will be no day without night, there can be no god without the devil (not that I believe), there can be no death without birth, there can be no happiness without sadness, the list goes on. Unless you experience the one how will you know the other exists. You would not be able to do any good in this world unless someone had done bad or mother nature had caused a catastrophe. I know the film you are talking about, I watched it right to the end (can't remember the name either).

Put simply how horrible and boring this world would be if people couldn't do good humanitarian things. "A family go out on there boat for the day, the weather is fine and calm. By afternoon the weather changes and they run into difficulty, the boat is sinking. Someone gets washed overboard and disappears in the rough sea, those still with the boat are hanging on for life, but they aren't going to be able to do it for long! This is a terrible thing that is happening to this family. If things like this never happened there would be no need for a rescue........

A family member who hadn't gone on the outing (here) they call the RNLI (royal national lifeboat institution) these are people who don't get paid, they put their lives at risk to help others. They run from their homes/work and launch as many boats as they can, they call in the RAF air-sea rescue. They rescue those still with the boat, and start a search for the one overboard. They don't go home until it is agreed that the search is exhausted. They have touched the people they saved lives in a way that usually can't be put into words.

This balance happens in all aspects of life, without illness there would be no need for Dr's, Nurses etc.

I in myself am not an unhappy person, I have spent many years dealing with issues that I had as a result of pain, but I still have a need at this point to keep moving, because I know that I am not where I am supposed to be "Yet". This admittedly sometimes makes me frustrated, but emotionally I am a happy person, I am happy with who I am it took me years to be this person.

My sister said to me on Saturday, "I am only now getting to know you, you left home at sixteen and I never really saw you again. So I have never had the opportunity to know you in adulthood. You're not the person I thought you were you are a much better person......I really like you and I like getting to know you".

I wasn't quite sure how to respond so I just said thank you.

^^The Day After Tomorrow?

Awe yes of course it is......thanks jewels I have been racking my brain trying to remember all morning.

Correct Jewels! Thank you!

i think this is the best thread evar.

andy, i just thought i'd offer this thought, because i also have the same urge to move - even though packing up and moving is a royal PITA, i don't know, I just don't like to feel like i've been in one place too long

I wanted to suggest to you that moving periodically is perfectly ok and a legitimate way to live your life.  Now, I have asked myself in the past, am I running away from something that's difficult to confront?  because if so, then I need to go ahead and confront whatever it is and not run away. 

if i've been reincarnated, then i was a nomad in a past life because i have that wanderlust - i can't imagine not having it - i wouldn't be me if i didn't have it

there is a lot of pressure from our culture to "settle down" - parents want to know that their kids are ok and it's generally accepted that a spouse, a house and a child or two is the formula for 'being OK'.  that might work for a lot of people, but surely we can't all be the same? 

it's kind of like, are you OK with getting lost when you're driving?  I never worry about getting lost (my former MIL has panic attacks at just the thought of driving in a new city).  I know as sure as I know anything that if I get lost, I will find my way again (and not just on the roads, but in all areas of my life).  And along the way, I might discover something awesome that I wouldn't have if I hadn't gone that way, if I hadn't been willing to get lost.  It comes down (for me) to trusting the universe to unfold as it should.  Being open to experiences and possibilities for the greatest good of all concerned is what my life is all about.  If this is just a narrative that I tell myself, ok.  It seems to work.

decarswell, yours is an incredibly beautiful soul - thank you for letting us see you (oh and no problem on the gravity! I've got yer back!  ::giggles::  ... if I do any math, you might want to double check me - just sayin)

mspw, very interesting blog and chart about AQAL - thanks for sharing that! I think i'm all over that chart  ::giggles::  Do you know if there are books on AQAL?  This seems like the kind of thing I'd like to read at bedtime.

Yes, best thread ever. I'll have to put my thoughts together coherently before responding.

Welcome to the thread MSPW.  I'm so glad you found it. I've been thinking about you a lot lately and I kept willing you to find this thread and now you have.

Welcome too Trustwomen. I enjoyed your post.

Decar: perhaps 'good' and 'bad' are too subjective for us to actually be able to determine if there is a balance?

that whole concept makes no sense to me - that my 'good' deed could 'cause' a 'bad' deed somewhere in the world in order to maintain some kind of static good-evil homeostasis  ??? 

if i lose 5 lbs, does someone else gain 5?    *runs away screaming*

imagine:  an enormous pool, an infinite pool -- all of the thoughts and actions (thoughts that are acted upon) of all creatures are like either smooth pebbles or jagged stones that land in the pool and cause ripples to go out across the water

positive thoughts and actions perhaps create beautiful patterns and gentle waves while negative thoughts and actions are like big uneven rocks that make splashes and make the water choppy

the more positive thoughts and actions you put out the nicer the pool is for those swimming in it

the more negative thoughts and actions, the more perilous it becomes

this analogy is way too simple ...

*goes back to drawing board*

it's a good analogy, nomo. perhaps the existence of free will is best proved by the presence of negativity and positivity. both are a choice.

Nomo - thanks,  but save the praise until I achieve what I want. Only then will what I say be worthwhile. Dreams are one thing but if you can't make them happen then what are they truly worth to you? To some it's enough to dream for the sake of dreaming, to me I try not to put my hopes into something that I don't plan on attaining.

I hadn't thought much on the pressure to settle down. That's a new idea to me. I see it all the time though. People want to settle down, for things to be less chaotic and less hectic (or so we think right? That's the association for me. When settled things become simpler). Personally, I don't know if I'm going to settle anywhere for the next 10 or 15 years. It kind of frightens/worries me. I do want a relationship that continues through that time, but as far as things go geographically I can't be sure if I want only one location. I know I want to go out and see the world. There's so much out there that I want to try!

I recently learned to appreciate getting lost. After moving to new places the past couple of years and spending time in new cities on my own I've really developed a great enjoyment of wandering around a new place on my own. No direction, no plan, no care as to where I end up. See what happens and what I discover. This is something I plan on doing more and more. I think I may even do it when I return to the places I think I know well! There's always more to discover.

Maybe it'd just be a nice, calm pool if we stopped throwing all those damn rocks into it?! So here's my attempt at an analogy to explain the balance idea. Think of one of those old measuring scales that was used to compare weights (the scale of justice as well if that clarifies. I don't know if it has an official name or anything). Good and bad are on opposite sides of this scale. When the amount of good increases the amount of bad also has to increase, or else things become unbalanced. So in other words all of us calorie counters are out there making people fat. We rock! This is just an idea that makes me question how the idea of balance can actually be feasible.

Kathy - I think that's a good way to put it. I came to what I consider a pretty good conclusion on relativity a while back (not on my own). Good and bad are relative. It all depends on you. So maybe the balance is that what I consider bad for someone is actually a step up for them, it's good. It's not as good as I'd want things to be, but it is better.

Doesn't the idea that negativity and positivity are a choice hinge upon your beliefs as to whether or not anything you "choose" to do is actually your choice or is preordained? I don't know if there is any conclusive proof with anything we're discussing here. There merely is the truth we make for ourselves.

This next little bit is all my own. This morning I've spent a couple of hours (not working much, this is my last week here and I'm feeling a bit slackerish I think. I mean, I'm posting during the day!) talking with one of my best friends through gmail and we've had a very interesting discussion about direction. A couple of weeks ago I had a talk with her and I mentioned that "I feel like my dreams are slipping out of my grasp. I'm worried that I won't be able to accomplish what I want to in life". I didn't even understand where the feeling was coming from but it was there. I think I know why I have it now. Engineering is boring and mundane. It's not my lifes purpose or passion. I'm not very challenged or even fulfilled by this. The biggest challenges I've had are with software learning curves and things that aren't working properly - not with the actual ideas behind it. I was (and still am) scared that I'm going to become someone who sits at his desk all day, does his 9-5, then goes out to live. I want to enjoy what I do and I want to be happy with my life. Work is important to me and feeling satisfied because of it is too. I think that I'm going to be changing professions a few years down the road. My friend is kind of despairing about her future right now though because she doesn't have a goal in mind like I do. The only reason I don't despair is because I see a way out of this in a few years time. Make some money, get myself an ECE degree through distance education or maybe through some night time courses and then switch to doing something I love. I really don't quite know if this'll work for me but I think it'll be one of the only things holding me together in the next couple years. We'll see. Maybe my plans will change? I can't say for sure. I've got this growing, gnawing worry in me now. I think I'll listen to some music and try and relax a bit. I know that I'll at least find contentment through volunteer work. Maybe that will be enough to keep me satisfied, or at least to allow me to realize my goals? We'll see. There is more to this though in that there are so many things I'm good at that I have had a hard time settling on one to do (who is to say I have to do just one?). I just see a lot of potential and I'm worried that I'm going to be unhappy. I feel much the way you do Anndjoe. I'm off for the moment, but I'll be lurking nearby. :D

 

On relativity: I once saw a documentary about a girl with no arms, and watched in disbelief as she placed a contact lens in her eye with her toes. I realized, that no matter how hard I think my life is, somewhere there's a girl who, every morning, puts in her contact lens' with her feet.  

For her it is merely a task. For me it's a revelation about humanity's ability to overcome adversity. And a reminder that my troubles are less than nothing in the whole vast scheme of things.

I also want to say thanks to everyone who's been active in this thread (and even those who are just active readers!). It's been really great discussing this with all of you and I've learned quite a few things as well as been given some new ideas to mull through the apple cider that is my mind, or something odd like that. This may just end up helping me define my direction in life, of which I am quite grateful. It's been awesome and I hope it continues. I've got a few more days of discussion in me before I head off for a 2 week vacation (decidedly undeserved!). I'll try and make the best of it.

Ha ah ha, we personally can't control "Balance" it's the planet that does it! I guess "Global warming" isn't the scale being balanced because of what we are doing? Oh and of course my star sign is "The Scales" so balance is very strong in my life. Which is probably why I struggle with not knowing my purpose, because I can't have complete balance unless I do. So the "Balance" makes perfect sense to me I just couldn't see it any other way.

nomo...yeah I figured that maybe I am just born to wander. I have no problem with getting lost, in fact just a couple of week ago I did when I went for a walk in the forest with my dog, I knew I would find my way back eventually. I did the self analysis quite a few years ago as to whether I was running away, but no I wasn't. I am very in touch with myself, my own worst critic. I seem to know when things inside are out of balance and correct it without giving it much thought. For me it's very important to be in tune with yourself, listen to what you mind/body are telling you and take action to regain the "Balance"

I hadn't actually thought about the pressure thing to settle down, but yeah I agree that it does exist. I am made to feel that there must be something wrong with me because of it. When in reality there isn't, it's just me.

Decars, yeah that's the dilemma I'm in, but as you say at least you know where you want to be. I am lacking "Passion" I can't understand the way some people are so passionate about something. I'd like to find that. I don't know if I ever will but I guess I'll keep looking.

kathy....I think I saw the same documentary, wasn't she amazing. But only amazing to us because we couldn't imagine doing some of the things that she does as a matter of fact.

kathy, i was at a bar at the beginning of the summer, sitting on the outdoor roof deck with a friend. it was a beautiful night.

i looked over at the bar, and there was a man sitting there sipping a glass of wine. it took me a second to register that he had no arms and he was sipping the glass using his feet! he then proceeded to put down his glass, and light up a cigarette, also with his feet! he sat there savoring his drinks, smoking, chatting with the folks around him, and looking very content. i was in awe.

worldbalance This is a site I like.

in the case of a scale, there is something against which mass is measured or compared

if the scale is correctly balanced to begin with (not always the case) then putting the same amount of mass on each side will keep the scale level

to suppose that positive thoughts or actions have the same kind of measurability as mass.... that's what doesn't make sense to me -- it presumes limits to things that to me, seem unlimited (thoughts or kindness, for example) - so it just doesn't make intuitive sense to me

with over 6 billion people on the planet today (compared with about 1 billion two or three hundred years ago) why would we assume that this would result in an unchanging level (homeostasis) of good and evil in the world?

that's not to say that I can't appreciate balance, ecosystem balance, market balance, my bank balance... -- all of those things relate to tangible things

putting limits on the intangible, as if there is a finite amount of justice *shrug* I don't get it

how can you draw a halfway point on infinity?  anywhere can be the halfway point

precisely. i think it might be more accurate to express negative and positive emotions they way we describe dark and light. Darkness is the absence of light. Negativity is the absence of positive thoughts like love, kindness, compassion.