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Well a dress code is completely different than everyday "out of work" style. That's what I was going on about.
If the dress code is a knee-length skirt, dress shirt, heels, and neat hair then of course that has to be followed. But out of work they can mismatch and do whatever they want.
Original Post by hotfuss:
Original Post by musicalfishmich:
...true - but if you're own style makes you confident, that will reflect in your professional life which will garner more respect and support.
maybe after a 25 year career. In my field(oil industry) the older generation wear whatever the heck they want and the newbies have to follow the dress code. A lot of people won't give you the chance to show your abilities if you don't look the part. Once you are an expert with an awesome resume, no one will care.
ok ok. i stand corrected. f'ing society! 
Original Post by cptbunny:
Well a dress code is completely different than everyday "out of work" style. That's what I was going on about.
If the dress code is a knee-length skirt, dress shirt, heels, and neat hair then of course that has to be followed. But out of work they can mismatch and do whatever they want.
it's a good thing my work dresscode is scrubs. that makes the laziness way easy :D
Original Post by cptbunny:
Well a dress code is completely different than everyday "out of work" style. That's what I was going on about.
If the dress code is a knee-length skirt, dress shirt, heels, and neat hair then of course that has to be followed. But out of work they can mismatch and do whatever they want.
well, i went on to say that that sort of value towards a professional, neat apearance tends to spread into other areas of life. And then people start associating work ethic and money making abilities with a certain way of dressing, which becomes attractive.
Original Post by hotfuss:
Original Post by cptbunny:
Well a dress code is completely different than everyday "out of work" style. That's what I was going on about.
If the dress code is a knee-length skirt, dress shirt, heels, and neat hair then of course that has to be followed. But out of work they can mismatch and do whatever they want.
well, i went on to say that that sort of value towards a professional, neat apearance tends to spread into other areas of life. And then people start associating work ethic and money making abilities with a certain way of dressing, which becomes attractive.
that attracts people that also care about money and prestige.
what if you don't?
Original Post by crazydiamondchrysalis:
Original Post by hotfuss:
Original Post by cptbunny:
Well a dress code is completely different than everyday "out of work" style. That's what I was going on about.
If the dress code is a knee-length skirt, dress shirt, heels, and neat hair then of course that has to be followed. But out of work they can mismatch and do whatever they want.
well, i went on to say that that sort of value towards a professional, neat apearance tends to spread into other areas of life. And then people start associating work ethic and money making abilities with a certain way of dressing, which becomes attractive.
that attracts people that also care about money and prestige.
what if you don't?
than you aren't part of the vast majority of society. Nothing wrong with that, I am just making generalizations to explain at least 1 reason why most people care about appearances.
But for argument's sake, you could still be attracted to the work ethic part and leave money out of it.
Original Post by crazydiamondchrysalis:
Original Post by hotfuss:
Original Post by cptbunny:
Well a dress code is completely different than everyday "out of work" style. That's what I was going on about.
If the dress code is a knee-length skirt, dress shirt, heels, and neat hair then of course that has to be followed. But out of work they can mismatch and do whatever they want.
well, i went on to say that that sort of value towards a professional, neat apearance tends to spread into other areas of life. And then people start associating work ethic and money making abilities with a certain way of dressing, which becomes attractive.
that attracts people that also care about money and prestige.
what if you don't?
^^^ this.
Original Post by hotfuss:
Original Post by crazydiamondchrysalis:
Original Post by hotfuss:
Original Post by cptbunny:
Well a dress code is completely different than everyday "out of work" style. That's what I was going on about.
If the dress code is a knee-length skirt, dress shirt, heels, and neat hair then of course that has to be followed. But out of work they can mismatch and do whatever they want.
well, i went on to say that that sort of value towards a professional, neat apearance tends to spread into other areas of life. And then people start associating work ethic and money making abilities with a certain way of dressing, which becomes attractive.
that attracts people that also care about money and prestige.
what if you don't?
than you aren't part of the vast majority of society. Nothing wrong with that, I am just making generalizations to explain at least 1 reason why most people care about appearances.
But for argument's sake, you could still be attracted to the work ethic part and leave money out of it.
what if you're more about life ethic than work ethic?
Original Post by crazydiamondchrysalis:
Original Post by hotfuss:
...what if you're more about life ethic than work ethic?
erm...life ethic? Im not really sure I follow
Original Post by hotfuss:
Original Post by crazydiamondchrysalis:
Original Post by hotfuss:
...what if you're more about life ethic than work ethic?
erm...life ethic? Im not really sure I follow
i believe crazydiamondchrysalis is referring to quality of life, and increasing that. so unheard of hmm.
like work ethic, but expanded to cover how you live not how you work.
maybe you shouldn't have to prove you're a good person (or whatever) through how you work, but instead, through how you live. You don't have a dress code for that, and isn't it really what's important?
Original Post by crazydiamondchrysalis:
like work ethic, but expanded to cover how you live not how you work.
maybe you shouldn't have to prove you're a good person (or whatever) through how you work, but instead, through how you live. You don't have a dress code for that, and isn't it really what's important?
well that would be great, huh? This is becoming more of a discussion on impressions and judgments based on appearances(which seems to be a reacuring theme here lately). I think its just human nature to assume things from the way people appear, especially on first impressions.
personally, I think someone with a good work ethic(not a workaholic, just someone that is willing to work hard when necessary) is likely to have a good "life" ethic following your definition.
Don't get me worng, I stated earlier that I can't wait to throw on my normal clothes(which mostly compose of jeans and tshirts) as soon as I can after work, I just think I understand why a lot of people care about appearances. It doesn't bother me that appearances mean so much to so many people but it doesn't mean I have to follow their rules. Neither do you.
Original Post by musicalfishmich:
Original Post by hotfuss:
Original Post by crazydiamondchrysalis:
Original Post by hotfuss:
...what if you're more about life ethic than work ethic?
erm...life ethic? Im not really sure I follow
i believe crazydiamondchrysalis is referring to quality of life, and increasing that. so unheard of hmm.
I don't really like to assume I understand someone's meaning if they use a term I haven't really heard used before. Im not afraid of asking for clarification because someone might think I sound stupid or silly.
my point is: a sharp dressed man may work hard, then stop by his mistress' house on the way home, be a dick to his mom, and ignore his children.
I have seen many people with a good work ethic that have no idea how to live their life respectfully.
I'm not impressed by how you look other than how you look.
I judge people by cleanliness.
You're making generalizations based on people respecting you for your looks. I am saying, I don't respect people with THAT "fashionable" look as easily as those with a "worked hard played hard" look. That is where your generalization went wrong.
Original Post by crazydiamondchrysalis:
my point is: a sharp dressed man may work hard, then stop by his mistress' house on the way home, be a dick to his mom, and ignore his children.
I have seen many people with a good work ethic that have no idea how to live their life respectfully.
I'm not impressed by how you look other than how you look.
I judge people by cleanliness.
You're making generalizations based on people respecting you for your looks. I am saying, I don't respect people with THAT "fashionable" look as easily as those with a "worked hard played hard" look. That is where your generalization went wrong.
oh, yeah, i was generalizing about looking neat and tidy, not about being trendy.
I will never understand runway models and the fashions they promote.
I guess I never thought about someone's life quality or work ethic when/if I notice what they wear. I've seen some odd dressed people and I've never thought about it before.
you need to understand that first impressions are unavoidable, and sometimes very accurate... the way you look tells a lot about who you are (whether you 'care' or not)
you wouldn't go to an important job interview in sweats, greasy hair, and a stained shirt would you? I sure hope not... and if you have, I bet you never got a call back.
it's okay to be comfy and lazy every once in a while... hell I do it all the time, BUT I do it at home, or at the grocery store. You know somewhere that it doesn't matter so much what you look like... But I would never ever go to work dressed like a slob, or go over to someone's house looking like I just rolled in a mud pile. Not only does that show laziness and a lack of self respect, but it shows a lack of respect for the work place or for another person.
If my boyfriend came over looking like crap on a daily basis, I would get the impression that he doesn't care enough about me to try and look good, or maybe I'm not important enough, that my opinion is irrelavant.
if the real you is very laid back, then I would suggest that you don't get a 'fancy' job that requires a strict dress code if you can't keep up with appearances
don't think that only personality matters.. self presentation is the first thing seen and first thing judged, you're personality will never be noticed if someone has no desire to talk to you based on how you present yourself
harsh but true
please people, practise proper hygiene.. it only takes minutes out of your day and will make all the difference
Original Post by carmenxox:
you need to understand that first impressions are unavoidable, and sometimes very accurate... the way you look tells a lot about who you are (whether you 'care' or not)
you wouldn't go to an important job interview in sweats, greasy hair, and a stained shirt would you? I sure hope not... and if you have, I bet you never got a call back.
it's okay to be comfy and lazy every once in a while... hell I do it all the time, BUT I do it at home, or at the grocery store. You know somewhere that it doesn't matter so much what you look like... But I would never ever go to work dressed like a slob, or go over to someone's house looking like I just rolled in a mud pile. Not only does that show laziness and a lack of self respect, but it shows a lack of respect for the work place or for another person.
If my boyfriend came over looking like crap on a daily basis, I would get the impression that he doesn't care enough about me to try and look good, or maybe I'm not important enough, that my opinion is irrelavant.
if the real you is very laid back, then I would suggest that you don't get a 'fancy' job that requires a strict dress code if you can't keep up with appearances
don't think that only personality matters.. self presentation is the first thing seen and first thing judged, you're personality will never be noticed if someone has no desire to talk to you based on how you present yourself
harsh but true
please people, practise proper hygiene.. it only takes minutes out of your day and will make all the difference
I think you had the same misunderstanding I did. Most of the recent posts have been voicing opinions on fashion and not hygiene....I think.
Hey I'm not saying I don't play along... I can dress up too! I'm just saying that I don't feel the need to dress up to be accepted amongst the people I truly want to spend time with. Work is a necessary evil.
I'm not sure how "long hair" = sweats, greasiness, stained shirts. Long hair isn't messy unless you let it get messy. Did I miss something here? Why are there only 2 options - stinky greasy slobby mess or pristine primped pumped preened peacock? (note the awesome alliteration I did there)
My hair has never held me back. I think that is REALLY what I am saying. ;)
aw lets be honest, I really have no idea what I'm saying. 
and for the record long hair does not equal "trashy hippie hair"
unkempt, unclean, fried, damaged, unmanagable and split end sgraggly hair= trashy hippie hair
there's a fine line between sexy touselled hair, and just-rolled out of bed hair
as long as you put some effort into your locks you can have long hair.. just dont let it get out of control.. theres' no age when hair becomes too long or 'slutty', but having a style that flatters your face shape looks much more appealing then a style that just lies there heavy and harsh like a blanket over your head
more Victoria's Secret.. less creepy little girl from The Ring
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