I have been purposefully AVOIDING this story because from the get-go I knew this chick was NUTS and nothing but an attention-seeking hound. I noticed this online today however-- http://snafu-ed.blogspot.com/2009/03/suleman- to-get-new-home-247-assistance.html .
She is basically getting a 1/2 million $ home and 24/7 care for her 14 kids that would cost $135,000.00 PER MONTH. All of this is being "donated" (cough- taxpayers) to her of course. What an utterly whacked out society we have become to actually make this plastic surgery nightmare some sort of "celebrity". We seem to REWARD stupid behavior in this country. She should be put in an institution and the children should be put in CAPABLE AND STABLE hands in my opinion. What a circus freakshow.
Original Post by oddfunk:What the hell happened to dignity?? What happened to personal responsibility??? Our bleeding heart society has gone out of control. There are too many people out there with a false sense of entitlement. Just because you had 14 kids lady does NOT make you "special"!!
And what I want to know is how in the hell did this idiot afford plastic surgery with NO JOB?????? This type of **** infuriates me.
I think it's ironic that you've attributed the problem to "our bleeding heart society" when obviously her success in appearing in the media is related to capitalism, not compassion. If people watch or read about her, then the media sells ads to pay for that. So really, your eyes and ears are paying for Octomom.
Funny! 
Original Post by nomoreexcuses:
Original Post by oddfunk:What the hell happened to dignity?? What happened to personal responsibility??? Our bleeding heart society has gone out of control. There are too many people out there with a false sense of entitlement. Just because you had 14 kids lady does NOT make you "special"!!
And what I want to know is how in the hell did this idiot afford plastic surgery with NO JOB?????? This type of **** infuriates me.
I think it's ironic that you've attributed the problem to "our bleeding heart society" when obviously her success in appearing in the media is related to capitalism, not compassion. If people watch or read about her, then the media sells ads to pay for that. So really, your eyes and ears are paying for Octomom.
Funny!
Yes, I say 'bleeding heart' because the media will always spin the angle as "let's do this for the children," "those poor children"...
Guess what? Her kids are no one else's problem but her own. How to raise them is HER problem. She should have adopted them out if she had any f'in sense. There is NO need for a charitable organization of any kind to step up and "help" this douchebag.
Original Post by dnrothx:
Original Post by oddfunk:
I have been purposefully AVOIDING this story because from the get-go I knew this chick was NUTS and nothing but an attention-seeking hound. I noticed this online today however-- http://snafu-ed.blogspot.com/2009/03/suleman- to-get-new-home-247-assistance.html .
She is basically getting a 1/2 million $ home and 24/7 care for her 14 kids that would cost $135,000.00 PER MONTH. All of this is being "donated" (cough- taxpayers) to her of course. What an utterly whacked out society we have become to actually make this plastic surgery nightmare some sort of "celebrity". We seem to REWARD stupid behavior in this country. She should be put in an institution and the children should be put in CAPABLE AND STABLE hands in my opinion. What a circus freakshow.
For someone that has been "AVOIDING" the story, you certainly know a lot about it and ironically, have now brought it to the attention of others once again.
Oh, so you've seen me in my living room huh? I've flipped right past the channel any time I see her alien mug on the screen. When I see a headline that essentially reads, "DUMB-A BEING AWARDED FREE ****", it ticks me off. No one is entitled to anything. Sorry.
Dr Phil is paying for the childcare through one of his foundations.
Admit the money might be better spent somewhere else, but he's trying to save the kids from her craziness, I think.
Taxpayers were funding her first 6 - I say let her milk the octomomism for all it's worth so that taxpayers are off the hook.
Ohhhh! now I see your point!
Yes, let the children suffer = justice.
Lots of people are entitled to things - aid mostly - the old, the infirm, children...it's sort of the mission of an advanced society to take care of the least among us.
Original Post by kathygator:
Lots of people are entitled to things - aid mostly - the old, the infirm, children...it's sort of the mission of an advanced society to take care of the least among us.
bleeding heart liberalism!
Happily embrace my bleeding heart. :D Christ! It's tough enough out there without us getting all hard-nosed and stingy. People are really in trouble and this ain't no dress rehearsal.
Original Post by kathygator:
Taxpayers were funding her first 6 - I say let her milk the octomomism for all it's worth so that taxpayers are off the hook.
Agreed. As much as I'm repulsed by the side-show nature of this whole thing, if people want to pay attention to her and generate ad revenue, if charities and foundations give her money by their own right and choice, let them. The more those children are supported by private charity, the less burden on others. Although I shudder to think at the number of other low income mothers/families who would have received more assistance from those charities if that woman had shown an ounce of responsibility.
That being said, I saw it noted somewhere that the house she's getting is a 4 bedroom house, not including the master bedroom. Now, her parents reportedly will be living with her - so that's 17 people, one house, 5 bedrooms, three bathrooms. At least, it's been noted, that the property has a large backyard. Time to start planning a lot of backyard camp outs.
Original Post by keo187:
I'm curious, what do people think of the Duggar family?? They just had their 18th child. 18!!! I think this is totally messed up. Their kids seem like good, healthy kids, but I think they are completely isolated and I think it's unfair to have that many kids. There is no way each child gets the attention from the parents that they need and deserve.
at least they can take care of their own. the family has two successful businesses that afford them the opportunity to have zero credit debt. they live on cash money alone. while i may not agree with their particular lifestyle, at least they're raising their own kids without using handouts.
Original Post by nomoreexcuses:
Ohhhh! now I see your point!
Yes, let the children suffer = justice.
Put it this way, if children are adopted into a two parent or a one parent home for that matter that is loving, financially stable and mentally stable, the children don't "suffer." They are better off.
Original Post by nomoreexcuses:
Original Post by kathygator:
Lots of people are entitled to things - aid mostly - the old, the infirm, children...it's sort of the mission of an advanced society to take care of the least among us.
bleeding heart liberalism!
There really is no need to make this "political". I don't even believe in our two party system as it serves no purpose other than to distract and divide us. I do however still believe in COMMON SENSE. Does anyone out there remember this vague concept???? Anyone? Look around and see how many times you see common sense in action today. ROFL
Original Post by leanerandmeaner:
Original Post by keo187:
I'm curious, what do people think of the Duggar family?? They just had their 18th child. 18!!! I think this is totally messed up. Their kids seem like good, healthy kids, but I think they are completely isolated and I think it's unfair to have that many kids. There is no way each child gets the attention from the parents that they need and deserve.
at least they can take care of their own. the family has two successful businesses that afford them the opportunity to have zero credit debt. they live on cash money alone. while i may not agree with their particular lifestyle, at least they're raising their own kids without using handouts.
Agreed. On a personal level however, I don't see the appeal of having that big of a family, but different strokes...
I just hope some new legislation comes out of this.
In the US, very few insurance plans cover IVF, so women only want to pay for one round. This encourages women to ask for as many embryo transfers at a time as their fertility doc will allow. Ethics gets pitted against financial incentive.
In other countries (like Sweden) law allows implantation of ONE embryo at a time. They also have universal heathcare, so IVF is free - women can keep trying over and over until one of the embryos attaches to the uterus. Usually takes about three attempts, but fewer multi births = healthier babies, more support at home for each baby, etc.
Id be happy with a legal limit of three embryos per implant.
Original Post by oddfunk:
I'd prefer someone else too. It sounds harsh, but this lady is obviously very, very mentally disturbed. And in all honesty, HER children should not be anyone else's responsibility.
You're saying you think that nobody should help her, and apparently it's ok if this means that her kids suffer as you've put no qualifiers on it.
Original Post by oddfunk:
Oh tahiti, I can guarantee that she will eventually have some sort of show and then all of her big girl dreams will finally come true (sarcasm). Do you think that anyone in Hollywood actually cares about the fragility of her children? Really-- it's all about making money and exploitation.
And man oh man pollonono- some gene pools are better off dead.
Here you're saying that it would be better if she and her children were dead -- debatable, kinda creepy, sort of cements your total lack of empathy, sympathy, compassion, w/e - which might be understandable vis a vis the woman, but toward her kids... ?
Original Post by oddfunk:Yes, I say 'bleeding heart' because the media will always spin the angle as "let's do this for the children," "those poor children"...
Guess what? Her kids are no one else's problem but her own. How to raise them is HER problem. She should have adopted them out if she had any f'in sense. There is NO need for a charitable organization of any kind to step up and "help" this douchebag.
According to you her options should be: Either she 1) adopts them all out or 2) they should all slowly die off if she's unable to support them and if she supports them via some kind of media deal/show whatever, that is unacceptable because such programming annoys you. Yes, because you being the center of the universe, it's important that you approve of everything.
Original Post by oddfunk:Put it this way, if children are adopted into a two parent or a one parent home for that matter that is loving, financially stable and mentally stable, the children don't "suffer." They are better off.
Since she wanted her children, and doesn't want to give them away, the only other way they could be "adopted out" is for the state to forcibly take them away from her and put them in foster care until they can be adopted. Good luck to 'em if they go through the foster system.
Is there anything else besides Octomom that's bothering you? Something going on with you or your family? Your job? You seem to be expressing rather a lot of anger over something that you have no firsthand experience with and which mostly doesn't affect your life. I could understand if there were lots of octomoms out there. But there's really not. That's why this one is able to get so much publicity.
We don't even have welfare as most of us think of it anymore anyway.
I do not begrudge the money spent on her children's well being. The woman is under a watchful eye now. :) That should make some people feel better about her position,ect. I'm sure if attempts another selfish stunt she'll be hounded/punished for it. It would lead to her children being taken away from her, ect. Ultimately punishing her children by her actions. That's the sad harsh reality of the situation. I've seen children left with parents that have done far worst than her thus far. To punish her children by taking their mother away is absurd. It would toss her kids into the system without a second glance.
They wouldn't receive the same care or help needed. They would be neglected and tossed around even in the best case scenario. The system is in place for a reason, but it isn't always the solution. Someone has to consider the children in question. THEIR well being. I've always thought the woman was well sorta ' insane.' I'd go as far as to say she should be evaluated. Why? To ensure she's capable of putting the children's best interest first. It's obvious to anyone that her priorities were out of whack. That isn't to say that she's an unworthy/uncapable to mother her children. The lack of funding has been addressed and there is a plan in place now. We're human. It's possible she simply had poor judgement. She made a mistake/miscalculation in life.
Those who are envious/angry enough to begrudge her children need help,imo. They need particularly help in averting their envy/attention/anger. It's inhuman to begrudge those poor children. Helping those children in turn helps the mother ...and I'm okay with that!
Nomoreexcuses- (very ironic username since you are making a lot of them)
She KNOWINGLY impregnated herself after already having 6 children and no spouse, job, brains! Do you see nothing "creepy" (as you put it) about that? Her stupidity should NOT be anyone else's problem nor do I think rewarding it to be a commendable act.
Nope- didn't say I wish them dead. I just think some gene pools are better off dead period. Watch the news or spend some at the local Greyhound station and you'll get my drift lol. Spending any amount of time with drug addicts and alkies will clue you in also. I have absolutely no sympathy, empathy or compassion for anyone who brings it all upon themselves- nada, zilch.
I don't have to approve of anything unless it's affecting my own household. I do have an opinion just like you though.
And finally, thank you so much for your concern. I'm doing great actually. 
I've got a nice, comfy home, great relationships, lots of love and laughter and a good job. It's all gravy baby. This is just an open discussion to gather the opinions of others and you gave me yours. I'm not losing sleep over this.
Original Post by oddfunk:
Nomoreexcuses- (very ironic username since you are making a lot of them)
She KNOWINGLY impregnated herself after already having 6 children and no spouse, job, brains! Do you see nothing "creepy" (as you put it) about that? Her stupidity should NOT be anyone else's problem nor do I think rewarding it to be a commendable act.
I think it's commendable to help the children, period. It may in turn help the women that KNOWINGLY impregnated herself after already having 6 children and no spouse, job, brains too! Lol! It's about the kids though,imo.
Nope- didn't say I wish them dead. I just think some gene pools are better off dead period. Watch the news or spend some at the local Greyhound station and you'll get my drift lol. Spending any amount of time with drug addicts and alkies will clue you in also. I have absolutely no sympathy, empathy or compassion for anyone who brings it all upon themselves- nada, zilch. None for the innocent children in question?
I don't have to approve of anything unless it's affecting my own household. I do have an opinion just like you though. And finally, thank you so much for your concern. I'm doing great actually.
It sounds like you live a blessed life. :) I'm not trying to sway you by any means or start a fight. I'm just curious if you have the slightest regard for innocent life? " I have absolutely no sympathy, empathy or compassion for anyone who brings it all upon themselves- nada, zilch" Seriously? All right. The children didn't bring this upon themselves. It will help the mother in turn but it's in the best interest of the children at sake. That doesn't matter to you?
What's ironic is that by exposing herself to ridicule and letting everyone hear the story - she's actually taking care of her family better than if she'd only had three children and been broke living on aid.
At this point, Dr. Phil is helping, volunteers are helping, she's got the porn deal to fall back on - probably some sort of train wreck reality show in the works. In short, she is no longer the public's burden.
Do we have to call her octo-mom, though? It just creeps me out to say the name. :)
edit: I think it's the visual of excessive teat-age that creeps me out, BTW ;D
for the record, the only information i possess about this woman has come from this site and from links to news sites provided in various posts on this site -- i have not tuned in to any programming about her
but yes, from what i've heard, i do find her behavior to be on the strange, at least unbalanced, possibly creepy, side
i don't, however, hold her children responsible for their mother's choices.
