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Original Post by hkellick:
Original Post by yachtracer1977:
It's not why she lost, though.My reasons? I have to disagree. She lost because of all that, because of negative advertising and Bosnia and the fact that she seemed desperate to say anything to anyone to win. All of that.
Not because of her laugh or her shoes or her hair or her emotions.
Carrie isn't saying that sexism is why Hillary lost.
She is saying that Hillary was treated in a sexist manner by the media and everybody tolerated it - with the jokes and attention to her cleavage and her pants suits and what not.
She lost for other reasons.
nm - i see you agree
Original Post by yachtracer1977:
*thinks Kim is a hot tamale*
I second!
Sexism is difficult to compare to racism. Racist remarks are obvious, easily indentifiable. Sexism runs so deep it is not at first apparent in the daily workings of our lives. Add to that the fact there truly are real differences between the sexes, and you get a mish-mash of beliefs and opinions.
I was totally not paying attention to that. :/ I remember the conversation about her Laugh, though... :p And the various conversations about why it was harder for Hillary, in some ways, because she was a woman trying to fill what is still considered a man's role, and she didn't know how to play that.
I've often wondered what would happen if politicians would just be themselves and let people vote them on their merits, their beliefs and their promise to do what they think is best for their constituents. Too bad politics doesn't run that game.
Original Post by yachtracer1977:
I was about to say that exact thing, shiznit ... It wasn't considered weird or out there to talk about Hillary's hair or shoes or clothes, or how her emotions might sway her leadership abilities. Yet all of that is blatantly sexist.
I'm in ur head. I like what you've done in here - very cozy.
I would considered this sexist:
I think she lost because she had a bad campaign strategy -- ignored caucus states; counted on a blowout on super tuesday; no game plan for after super tuesday.... an old style campaign against obama's netroots organization
it's a new day
I agree, Carrie. I'm just saying what I'm seeing.
bbl. It's munchtime.
Original Post by nomoreexcuses:
I think she lost because she had a bad campaign strategy -- ignored caucus states; counted on a blowout on super tuesday; no game plan for after super tuesday.... an old style campaign against obama netroots organization
it's a new day
I think that's part of it too.
But, mostly, I think Hillary lost because at the end of the day it was Obama who won on PR. Obama cast Hillary as a shrew, someone willing to say or do anything to win, and Hillary never got past that.
Whereas the things they tried to stick on Obama, a racist (because of his pastor), an angry man.. didn't stick nearly as much.
Obama won the PR campaign.
I'd argue that the nutcracker Hillary wasn't tolerated either.
The "toy" was created. I wouldn't say it was tolerated. Tolerated, to me, would suggest that people were OK with Hillary Nutcracker.
Original Post by hkellick:
I'd argue that the nutcracker Hillary wasn't tolerated either.
what do you mean by 'tolerated'?
you said that dcyount's thread wasn't tolerated, but it wasn't locked or deleted by the mods -- to me that means we tolerated it
a product can't be locked or deleted, but if it's being advertised anywhere, it's being tolerated
oh - you think they didn't sell any of the hillary dolls
hmmm
interesting thought
Well..
If simple existence is toleration (OK, definitionally that's probably correct), then.. I still argue your point is incorrect.
