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Is Organic Meat Worth It?


By Mary_RD on Mar 09, 2011 10:00 AM in Healthy Eating
Edited By +Rachel Berman

By Carolyn Richardson and Mary Hartley, RD

You may have noticed advertising in the meat aisle for grass-fed beef and cage-free chickens. Whether its popularity is due to Moms shunning pesticides for their children born and unborn or to celebrities flaunting organic diets, there is interest in avoiding some of the effects that mass meat production creates. But because organic meat is not offer a significant improvement in nutrition and the long-term health effects of consuming non-organic meat is not completely clear, is the cry for organic meat justified around the world?

Where Does Your Hamburger Live?

The Access to Pasture Rule gives the following guidelines for USDA certification of organic livestock:

  • Access to pasture throughout the grazing season (specific to their geographical climate)
  • Diet consisting of at least 30% dry matter intake from pasture grazed during grazing season, totaling at least 120 days.
  • No hormones to promote growth
  • No antibiotics
  • 100% organic feed
  • No mammalian or poultry by-products in feed

You may be surprised to know that none of these guidelines apply to non-organic meat.  In fact, non-organic livestock that produce dairy products may be confined to stalls for their entire lives.  Additionally non-organic livestock may be housed in factory farms, also called feedlots, where consumption of feed that includes corn and meat by-products approved by the FDA is known to occur. 

In addition, non-organic chickens used for their eggs and meat can be housed in small dark cages and may be fed genetically-modified feed to increase their weight faster than the average four months it takes to reach slaughter weight.  Conversely, organic chickens are given a free range, direct sunshine, open air, and organic feed.

Human Harm?

Kristin Schafer of the Pesticide Action Network of North America authored a recent report that found toxic pesticides above “safe” levels in many U.S. residents.  She shares, "Many of the pesticides found in the test subjects have been linked to serious short- and long-term health effects including infertility, birth defects and childhood and adult cancers."   Indeed, the Cornell University reported than elevated levels of zeranol, a common growth hormone given to animals, was found in girls who began puberty early in the 1980’s; however, a follow up study by the USDA did not corroborate these findings.  Despite the lack of research confirming a direct effect on humans, in 1989, the European Community (now European Union) issued a ban on all meat from animals treated with steroid growth hormones, including U.S. beef, which was still in effect as of June 2000.

Cost and Availability

While many may believe in the advantages of organic meat, the cost, at times, doubles that of non-organic, which can be prohibitive.  What’s more, the availability of organic meat is still largely restricted. The USDA claims only about 0.5 percent of all U.S. pasture was certified organic in 2008 (although some farmers are unwilling to pay for official certification.)  But with Americans consuming about 10 billion animals each year, averaging for a family of four, 120 chickens, four pigs and one cow, there is not enough organic meat to go around.


Your thoughts…

Do you buy organic meat?  If not, why not?


To find stores that may offer organic options to your favorite meat, visit The Organic Consumers Association’s Natural Food Store Listing by clicking here.



Comments


"Access to pasture throughout the grazing season"

That's key... access doesn't necessarily mean it actually happens. There is not enough pasture land available to support the current gluttony of animal products this country consumes every year. It's quite evident that eating animals is destroying our health and the environment let alone our spiritual and social harmony.

Humans tell ourselves elaborate lies about 'humanely raised' , 'free range' , 'organically fed' - none of this makes up for the slaughter and suffering of billions of animals every year which WE CAN NOT BEAR TO WITNESS. 

And why?  Because we are basically genuinely and truly compassionate at heart. We've just been duped into believing we must "KILL" for our survival by the corporate consumerist pharmaceutical medical machine that is literally devouring our planet.

Stop listening to the insanity of it all and look at your hands... do you have claws?  Look at your teeth. Do you have fangs?  Listen to your heart? Do you like to kill.

Break free from this and become part of the change this planet needs for our survival.



I really do believe that if the animal is stressed and unhappy in its life, it carries that through to the meat you consume.   And it will do all sorts of nasties to your body.

More importantly: I hate the way they treat the animals for the most part at non-organic farms. 

 



Read anything by Joel Salatin to get a better idea about the benfits of grass and grazing for the livestock health that translates into our health.

Also the work of Jo Robinson, a researcher into the benefits of Omega 3's and CLA's (conjugated, linolicic acid) found in products that recieve grass as a basis for diet instead of grain for building their tissue.

Would you use hormones to improve the size and quantity of a fruit or vegetable? Are you inject your kids with antibiotics every day? why would you include antibiotics in the daily ration of the food you and your kids eat if you don't have to?

go to a feed lot and a pasture and decide which you would rather get your food from!

 



unhealthy/mistreated/stressed/hormone injected animals are bad to eat. Grass-fed/pasture raised/free range are the only things I buy. 

To the first post saying that eating animals is making us unhealthy, completely false we would have not made it this far if we didn't eat animals. If you meant eating unhealthy animals then I agree somewhat. I live in the UK so I believe most of our cattle is grass-fed, but I buy organic meats anyhow.



I would love to buy organic, both because of the treatment of the animals and the effect it has on the animal products we consume. However, I quite simply can't afford it.



Buy at your local butcher shop or from a local farmer.  Problem solved!  There are many hard working farmers in this country.  Support the American farmer! The best produce is local and the best meat is local.



Talk about providing misleading information. Here are a few of my comments.

  • Access to pasture throughout the grazing season (specific to their geographical climate)

Yes pasture is ideal, but it takes roughly 2.5 acres per cow to keep them adequately feed. Furthermore, cattle are very large animals. Have you actually actually ever seen a cow outside in dead of winter or heat of summer? They might make like it for a few minutes but then they head enmasse back to the barn where they have shelter, clean bedding and ready access to food and water.

  • Diet consisting of at least 30% dry matter intake from pasture grazed during grazing season, totaling at least 120 days.

Cattle housed in barns need DMI just as must as organic cattle. They will have rumen problems if they don't.

  • No hormones to promote growth

You have more hormones in your saliva then given to the animals and your stomach acids would kill the hormones anyway. Should mothers also stop breastfeeding kids? There are are growth hormones in there as well.

  • No antibiotics

You give your kids antibiotics when they are sick don't you? Too many parents beg their doctors for antibiotics when they don't need them--how's is doing this with animals?

Lastly, if a farmer mistreats their animals they won't make a profit. Certainly there are bad farmers but consumers rarely see the good farmers. ALL farmers care deeply about their animals. Caring for them means a profit. Mistreat the herd and they are out millions of dollars. Pitting organic vs. non organic is not the way to improve food production but that is the only way organic farmers can make a profit.



I buy organic beef and eggs from cage-free chickens because I can't stand the way factory farms confine and manage their animals. I tried to give up eating meat, but just couldn't stick to it! I too didn't think I could afford organic, but I have cut down on the amount of meat I eat so that makes up for it - plus I am willing to spend more to know that the animals are treated humanely. Also, I buy from a farmer's market when I can, to support local farmers.



Cost:  I agree, it's expensive, however, we eat far too much meat - more than our bodies require so cut your portions.  I eat organic beef and bison but it's the ground version that is not so costly. There is good stuff in the fat too !

Organic Certification:  I totally understand why farmers do NOT certify their farms even if they are farming organically.  It's a lot of red tape, waaaaay too much paperwork and little support for all the $$ you pay ... I know fisrt hand.  The certifiers need to cut their costs drastically !!  We need to push for more certification at lower costs.  Just heard that USDA are now going to push to inspect 10% of certified farms.  Pardon?  They don't inspect all farms on a regular basis?  What are we paying for?  ahhh, yes, those trips around the world to attend conventions that educate only those who can afford to go ... those who collect high fees ... what is their actual carbon footprint looking like these days?

Antibiotics:  Sick animals are allowed to be treated.  Conventional farmers inject antibiotics routinely to keep their cattle healthy.  Organic farmers use antibiotics only when required.

Women's Health:  Women need red meats in order to keep their iron levels up.  Most don't know alternative methods of doing this through diet.

As for the caged chickens ... OMG, I get ill just thinking about the conditions they are raised under.  For starters - FREE RANGE chickens taste better !! 

Spend the extra ... eat less !

 



We raise our beef and chickens on pasture all year round.  When the grass stops growing, we buy our hay from local farmers.  Our animals are ALL treated humanely by us and everyone who visits our farm.  The picture that is on the top of this looks exactly like one of our cows!  That's what made me read the article! 



My fiancee and I buy organic meats and seafood. There is a difference in quality. The amount of fat found on cuts even. And the taste is definitely different. I also noticed since joining calorie count, that meats logged organically have a better grade.



I am a Meat Scientist. What does that entail? I study the genetics of animals, the nutrition of animals, and the behavior of animals and see how it affect the quality of meat the animal is given.
There are many statements in the article above that are incorrect and the truth needs to be told.

First off, the Meat Industry is highly concerned with Meat Quality.

What things can affect Meat Quality? Nutrition and Stress. All animals are fed the proper nutrition to have enough gain in muscle to produce food for consumers. Yes, in SOME instances Growth Hormones are used (only in pigs and cattle). However, there is no way the meat you consume can contain any growth hormones fed to the cattle.

Why? USDA regulations requires a specific withdraw period (a period of time, usually days, that it takes for the vaccine or growth hormone to be naturally with drawn from the animals body) for each vaccine and growth hormones given. All animals have records of the date when they received the vaccine or growth hormone and if they do not meet the USDA requirements on withdraw period, they cannot be harvested. Furthermore, antibiotics are given to animals for multiple reasons. If you have children you understand the importance of your child receiving vaccines and antibiotics in life. It boosts your child's immune systems and ensures they will not become sick. This same concept is used in animals. It is natural behavior of animals to stay close to one another, even when out on pasture. This means disease can spread rather easily, so vaccines and antibiotics are given to reduce disease throughout the herd. A study was done in Denmark where they took away the use of vaccines and antibiotics and it resulted in a loss in meat production because many animals became ill during their time of growth.

Now is a farmer really concerned about an animals health? YES!! For many reason. One, farmers love their animals, it is more than just a job it is a hobby, so they do care about their health. Two, even large farms that hold 100s of animals care about their animals health. If an animal is sick, most of it's energy (or feed consumed) will go to fighting the infection instead of muscle growth. So when animals are sick, they will decrease their production rate, producing less meat for the consumer. This is also true with a stressed animal. If an animal is stress it will affect their meat quality, which will causes farmers or large corporations to receive discounts for their animals, decreasing their total profit. So at all times they make sure the animal is under as minimal stress as possible. So all of their energy can be used for growth, the same way a child grows when they are happy and healthy.

That is all I have time to discuss now, but I will add more later.

 

If you have any question PLEASE contact me dpezza2@gmail.com

I have many presentations and scientific research that I can send you to support all of my claims.

 

I hope you have a wonderful day.



From what I've read, the "free range" chicken is largely a myth, as well, unless you're lucky enough to actually know the person from whom you're buying eggs, or can raise your own.

I can't afford to pay that much for organic, especially considering there aren't really any proven health benefits, and the conditions for the animals are frequently not what people imagine they are.  My solution is just to eat very little meat, anyway.  Is that putting a price on my health?  Yeah, I guess so, but I have to pay rent.



This article is weak. Is this really all you have?

I think the big problem here is that the article is too narrow. Comparing "organic" vs. "non-organic" may not be the question.

As the article hints, factory vs. non-factory and/or clean vs. polluted may be the real issues. For instance, I don't think it would be inappropriate to mention the apparently higher incidence of e. coli in factory / non-organic meat.

And so forth.

 



ninav, I understand your point of view, as an ex-vet wannabe, I care a lot about animals. However, I also understand the need for the majority of humans to eat meat as part of their diet (Humans are omnivores, not herbivores, not carnivores. The percentage of meat you eat as part of your diet is your own personal choice, but it IS necessary for living healthily). If animals were raised free ranged, organically and respecting their animal rights, then they would be able to live life without fear of being hunted.

Can you imagine spending a night in a jungle, or in a Safari full of lions and hyenas? You would be scared out of your mind and would not be able to sleep a wink. You might even wish you were dead rather than live with the fear for an extended period of time. For many wild animals this is their daily life, and the stress of being in constant danger is not very pleasant. Yes, they will still have small pleasures such as eating, bathing, socialising and other small actions, but the majority of their life will be spent completely alert for danger. Animals raised ethically for meat don't worry about going to the slaughterhouse until it is time for them to go, because they don't know about it.

They life a life without fear, and the moment they are slaughtered is comparitively short. I would rather live a life in comfort and come to a brutal but short end, than live my life in fear and possibly die of natural causes. I feel that their fate is only justified however, if the animals are able to experience some of their natural pleasures (such as playing, socialising, eating...). Living a long life without fear would be pointless if one did not have occasional pleasure from it. 



Original Post by: atravelgirl

Talk about providing misleading information. Here are a few of my comments.

  • Access to pasture throughout the grazing season (specific to their geographical climate)

Yes pasture is ideal, but it takes roughly 2.5 acres per cow to keep them adequately feed. Furthermore, cattle are very large animals. Have you actually actually ever seen a cow outside in dead of winter or heat of summer? They might make like it for a few minutes but then they head enmasse back to the barn where they have shelter, clean bedding and ready access to food and water.

  • Diet consisting of at least 30% dry matter intake from pasture grazed during grazing season, totaling at least 120 days.

Cattle housed in barns need DMI just as must as organic cattle. They will have rumen problems if they don't.

  • No hormones to promote growth

You have more hormones in your saliva then given to the animals and your stomach acids would kill the hormones anyway. Should mothers also stop breastfeeding kids? There are are growth hormones in there as well.

  • No antibiotics

You give your kids antibiotics when they are sick don't you? Too many parents beg their doctors for antibiotics when they don't need them--how's is doing this with animals?

Lastly, if a farmer mistreats their animals they won't make a profit. Certainly there are bad farmers but consumers rarely see the good farmers. ALL farmers care deeply about their animals. Caring for them means a profit. Mistreat the herd and they are out millions of dollars. Pitting organic vs. non organic is not the way to improve food production but that is the only way organic farmers can make a profit.


A rebuttal to your post:

-  Yes, where we live, most cattle are indeed outside much of the day all winter with well-built shelters available.

- -All farmers may care deeply about their animals, but huge agribusinesses do not.  To them, animals are commodities to be used to make a profit as fast and as cheaply as possible. The welfare of each animal is not part of the equation. They certainly CAN and DO treat their animals inhumanely and still make a profit. Consumers like to ignore/deny this.

- Re hormones, we are talking about growth hormones that are completely unnecessary. Your comparison with breast milk hormones and natural body hormones is irrelevant.

- The over-use of antibiotics by parents is not a justification for using them inappropriately for animals. They are found to be coming through in meat and are contributing to antibiotic drug resistance in human populations.

In summary, if people saw how their meat is manufactured and slaughtered, they would swear off it for life. I found out what really happens and have been totally vegetarian for 15 years--healthy and with a clear conscience.

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Organic anything is just a pure rip off.  Some of you won't want to hear that, and you won't believe it, nor even think about it....but it's still true.  I worked on a farm for 40 years.  At the beginning, we used chemicals that would stop an elephant in it's tracks, and we sprayed them on open tractors with no respiratory protection at all.  Towards the end, we used enclosed, air conditioned cabs and sprayed chemicals that you could literally drink with no ill effects! I'm a totally healthy 63 year old, and I promise I've inhaled and swallowed more "harmful chemicals" than most of you have every even seen!  Today, insecticides, pesticides, and herbicides are 100% safer than they've ever been.  Food inspections are more thorough, and regulations are much tighter.  "Organic fertilizer" is often animal feces, whereas "chemical fertilzers" are produced from naturally occuring elements found in the soil and in the air! They are NOT produced in dark and dangerous laboratories with toxic chemicals, as  many people believe.  Fact is, you can take a few sips of liquid fertilzer if you want.  Won't taste good, but it won't hurt you!  I MUCH prefer that my food be grown in naturally occuring "chemicals" (BTW...water is a "chemcal"!) than in chicken $%^& ! I'm not spending one extra dime for "organic" anything.  I grow a huge amount of my own food in my backyard now...with chemical fertilzers and commercial pesticides. Fresh, tasty, delicious, and totally healthy.  No poop in my garden, thank you!!! You think your "organic" tomatoes are good?  HA! Try one of mine!  Huge, sweet, soft, tasty, and so juicy you have to bend over when you bite it so it doesn't drip on your shirt!  OOOOPS.....there's a beetle!  Let me go get the Sevin!



my friends, i have watched the movie/documentary FOOD INC. i recommend it.Go to your local library and rent it.  i also recommend a book Skinny ****.  A few years ago, i had a goal to lose weight. not really knowing what i was doing, but some how guided to stop eating meat for a while, i started to just eat fruits, veggies, lentils, rice, pasta, etc but gave up meat and milk. would you believe that in 4 months, i lost 20 pounds!!! i was also exercising but i am convinced that my diet had a lot to do with it. towards the end of the year, i met with a personal trainer that suggested i eat protein and so i started eating meat again- and you know what- i gained all the weight back and  have struggled since to get it off. So again, i am trying to go back to my no meat no milk diet and cardio and weight training. so these days, i start my day with a fruit salad.  eat veggie burgers and salad. pasta with veggies or rice and bean or lentils. We are what we eat right? so unless i can get to the fresh stuff, i avoid it. i would  eat eggs if they came from my friends chickens but otherwise, i was avoiding  the stuff. i dont trust our govt and USDA. sorry. that is just me. i dont like the cruelty to animals either. i have no problem supporting my local farmers, but i am going to question you and what you are doing to our food.



Grass fed beef and othe animals do have better nutritional quality in that the level of Omega-3 oils is much higher in a grass fed animal than a grin fed animal.



I believe that growth hormone use should be discontinued.  I think that the use of these hormones in our food sources has greatly contributed to the current obese state of many Americans. 



i agree, i think the hormones is what causes the weight gain. have you ever been on birth control pills? you gain weight!!! and i do agree with you and think that our society is obese due to the hormones. it can't be good.  But just try to stop for a while and see what happens.



Where do you people get off by saying farmers mistreat their animals? BS!!  Those animals are better cared for than your pet dog!  They spend 8 - 10 hours a day MAKING SURE THEY ARE NOT "MISTREATED!" Mistreating their animals simply translates into slower weight gain, more stress on the animals, lower body weight at the sale....etc. etc.  Realize just one thing....the farmers cows and chickens represent HIS INCOME!! DUH!!!  Why in the name of Peety would any farmer harm himself by mistreating his animals?  Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense.  I've lived on a farm for over 60 years...and believe me...any farmer who "mistreats" his animals is only mistreating himself and his family.  And, they know that.  Wish you did.



With the amount of meat I eat per week, "organic" or "grass fed" just doesn't make any financial sense.  Not to mention, as dipez22 said, it's in the farmers interest to keep the animal healthy to maximize meat production.  Grass fed is overblown, take fish oil for your omega 3's.  Not to mention, grass fed may still be finished by grain on a feed lot.  You really should be paying premium for "grass finished".



Thank God for kosher & halal diets. Animals killed as kosher or halal, the meat is much more healthy.

I don't believe that we should all just stop eating meat so we don't kill animals. Animals eat meat too, it's not just us. It's the law of nature and what God wanted us to eat, not just animals of course, but also the vegetables, etc.

Of course, I don't believe in the torture animals go through before they're killed. I try as much as possible to buy organic. Mainly organic milk and chicken. But, not vegetables as much (weird, I don't really know why).



Original Post by: deborah_ulloa

i agree, i think the hormones is what causes the weight gain. have you ever been on birth control pills? you gain weight!!! and i do agree with you and think that our society is obese due to the hormones. it can't be good.  But just try to stop for a while and see what happens.


Uh, no.  Eating too much and moving too little causes weight gain. 



I have started hunting to get grass fed healthy meat for me and my family. I have also go in with friends and family to have local grass fed animals butched. None of this meat is "certified organic" but I know where the meat comes from and what the animals life was like before hand, so I feel a lot better about eating it. Plus the meat itself is soooo much better tasting then what the stores offer.



Bottom line: whenever organic is available, I will choose it over standard foods: meat, chicken, vegetable and fruit.  I would rather budget to eat less of a good thing than more of a questionable thing.  It's not that I think organic is so much better, it's just that there is so much pollution bombarding our bodies every day that it's better to make a conscious choice of what we will be exposed to whenever possible, especially our foods.



I agree with Southwindfarmpal.  I wanted to read an articale on the pro and cons to organic meat.  What tests have been done recently?  Things have changed in the last 10 to 20 years.   I was hoping to see some posts on if people think the taste is better. I like meat and will not buy organic because of the price.  I do buy buffalo/bison privately.  I believe they roam free and eat what they want. 

So my question is for the meat eaters have you tried organic and does it taste better?  How do you really know it is really organic, Unless you go to the farm and buy it from there. 



"But with Americans consuming about 10 billion animals each year, averaging for a family of four, 120 chickens, four pigs and one cow, there is not enough organic meat to go around."

Duh - there would be plenty of organic meat if all the hogs in the U.S. cut back a little bit!  10 billion animals?  Come on - no wonder 2/3 of us are overweight!  I'm not a vegetarian, but no one needs to eat meat everyday - much less every meal!



WESTERNERS JUST HAVE TO EAT WAYYYYYYYY LESS MEAT!!!! once a week! Its cheaper its healthier why!? why oh why would you be eating meat when the food given to the animals could be given to starving humans on our planet?

 

Such a terribly selfish world. Oh so selfish! Think of dog food aswell! wasted food that goes to animals ( I have dogs I love them to death but its the truth )



Haters depart!

Animals that are kept in conditions were they cannot stay healthy will get sick. treatment to protect the investment is the industry remedy. Preparing conditions where sickness can be averted never occurred to them or might increase their expense.

Over use of antibiotics fortifies organisms to resist their use. eventually they don't work and the livestock die anyway.

when you consider realistic portions of meat with meals, organic doesn't cost it pays the consumer.

The producer hasn't prepared for the information age and is stranded in 17th century mechanisms of production with a few bells and whistles thrown in.

It takes more space to raise livestock on pasture. It takes more space to stay healthy. Millions of acres are used to put fuel into cars that pollute and degrade the environment instead of raising human food. millions more acres are devoted to grains that are exported to other countries. these acres do not contribute to YOUR health.

Demand pasture raised products for yourself and family and stay healthy. reject products of unknown origin and unknown quality. you will be better off.

 

Read Jo Robinson or Joel Salatin and understand why green grass works better for livestock and us than grain!



Original Post by: gaelenstone

I really do believe that if the animal is stressed and unhappy in its life, it carries that through to the meat you consume.   And it will do all sorts of nasties to your body.

More importantly: I hate the way they treat the animals for the most part at non-organic farms. 

 


Mankind is omnivorous; always has been, always will be. That's why we have knives and forks! Oh, and by the way, we're not "animals."



Bottom line: only the wealthy can eat 100% organic. The rest of us are screwed. Doesn't surprise me. Wish we had the strict guidelines of the EU.



@ninav I too love animals. They are so tasty.



I buy organic when I can. But, you still get food that is not organic from restaraunts, school cafeterias, processed food, and others. Also, there is no way that enough organic food could be made to feed the whole planet. Production of organic food is lower than non organic and more expensive (which is why all of those chemicals are used in the first pace... for a higher, cheaper production rate.)

So, I buy it whenever it is available, but organic food will never replace non-organic. It will continue to only be bought by the people who wish to pay extra for it.



I'm thankful for being raised on wild meat, as I feel it's healthier; often more lean and I know they've been eating what they were MEANT to eat.



I wish we could go meat free but it's hard to do.  I'm trying to wean us off meat by decreasing portions and having more vegetarian meals but I know we'll never go completely meat-free.  We are going to buy a half cow from a local farm where they don't use antibiotics or hormones and are 100% grass-fed.  We've been to the farm so we've seen where the cows live.  I'm excited to try it and we'll see how it goes.  It makes me feel better to know where my food is from.  We put a rather huge garden in our back yard last year so we can grow our own veggies for part of the year and we're thinking about getting some chickens for eggs this year.  It takes work but I think it's worth it.  The cost of organic animal products is so much higher that we can't afford to buy everything organic but we're doing what we can.



Original Post by: ds1973

Original Post by: deborah_ulloa

i agree, i think the hormones is what causes the weight gain. have you ever been on birth control pills? you gain weight!!! and i do agree with you and think that our society is obese due to the hormones. it can't be good.  But just try to stop for a while and see what happens.


Uh, no.  Eating too much and moving too little causes weight gain. 


Apparently deborah, you are a Christian because you stated that:

It's the law of nature and what God wanted us to eat, not just animals of course, but also the vegetables, etc.

For the sake of this discussion, God did not intend that man should eat animals.  Genesis 1:29 tells us that he gave us plants and every herb bearing seed for our food.  Didn't mention meat.  Further, when the new earth exists, the lion will lay down with the lamb (see book of Isaiah) and there will be no more death, no more killing.  That is what God intended.

So you and every other Christian make the choice to live in the state of sin which came about as the result of man's original crime (not doing what God told them to do).  The first death was to provide covering for the new sinners, and every sacrifice was intended to remind you that your sin caused it.  And humanity overlooks that and tells themself the little nice story about how God gave them animals to (ab)use and eat.  Read your Bible.



Original Post by: ds1973

Original Post by: deborah_ulloa

i agree, i think the hormones is what causes the weight gain. have you ever been on birth control pills? you gain weight!!! and i do agree with you and think that our society is obese due to the hormones. it can't be good.  But just try to stop for a while and see what happens.


Uh, no.  Eating too much and moving too little causes weight gain. 


Don't know why my computer picked up that last quote because it has nothing to do with my post.  Sorry for that folks.



For all you meat eaters, a little story:

I've relatives in Alberta who raise beef cattle.  One year, they had mysterious deaths in their new young animals.  Called the vet, but he didn't know what was sickening them.  Before anymore of that years (crop) died, they decided to ship them to early slaughter.  Lost some money because those grass fed young steers weren't really up to marketable weight, but they salvaged something for their bottom line.  And those animals may have been carrying the virus(?) or whatever that killed the other calves, but who's to know, and they went into the human food chain.  Ever given any thought to whether or not what you are eating was coming down with something but just not showing it yet?  Because every farmer, big or small, is first and foremost a businessman.



The original article I think confuses grass-fed with organic beef.

There is a real difference between organic beef and grass-fed beef, and while the difference between non-organic and organic beef in terms of nutrition (setting aside the humane treatment issues and issues of ingesting harmful chemicals through your food) is negligible, there is a REAL difference in nutrition between grass-fed beef and corn-fed beef (whether organic or not).

This site has some great information about the actual nutritional differences between grass-fed and corn-fed beef: http://www.americangrassfedbeef.com/grass-fed-natural-beef.a sp

It's important that people really KNOW where they are buying their food from, in particular, animal (meat) products. If you care at all about humane treatment of animals, a little research into the providers of the products you like to purchase can go a long way toward your peace of mind.



The question you ask is like asking "Is arsenic healthier for you than cyanide?"

MEAT--ALL MEAT--IS POISON TO THE HUMAN BODY!!! DAIRY, TOO!

1. Physiologically, human are herbivores (flat, not pointy teeth, long intestines, etc.) Animal products are the ONLY foods that contain cholesterol. Eating animal products leads to obesity, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc.

2. Raising animals for food is THE SINGLE GREATEST CAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING--to say nothing of deforestation and water pollution.

3. Anyone with a heart, knows that a cow is not so different from a dog--or a person. We all feel pain, we all love our lives. Murder is wrong. Murder of animals callouses the human heart.

Ever wonder why most vegans (those who eat NO animal products) are almost always slender and-when they eat their veggies, fruits, whole grains & protein-far healthier than non-vegetarians???? Duh!

I am a 66 year old vegan with no medical "conditions"-no pills (except a vegetarian multiple vitamin & vitamin D). I do hard physical work every day & enjoy low cholesterol & blood pressure----and a clear conscience! I can look a cow, pig or chicken in the eye without guilt.

 

Think about it--MEAT IS MURDER! (to the one being eaten & to the eater)



"While many may believe in the advantages of organic meat, the cost, at times, doubles that of non-organic, which can be prohibitive. "

You are looking at it wrong. You have to ask yourself  what is the cost of eating non-organic "mystery" meat? Those costs go well beyond one's pocketbook. The risks involved in eating factory farmed meat of questionable methods and origins  are what should truly be considered prohibitive.



Eat less, eat better is my motto. Since only buying organic food, honestly (seriously, I'm not lying) my food budget has not increased. I find that for some reason (maybe it's a placebo) I feel more full off less food when it's organic. I don't eat meat, but my husband is huge carnivore. Instead of eating inorganic meat 7 times a week, he eats an organic, grass-fed steak once a week and he's perfectly satisfied with that.

As far as ethical reasons for not eating meat, I think people need to be more connected to what they eat. If you wouldn't kill a cow yourself, you probably don't deserve to eat its meat. I know I could never kill an animal so I don't eat animals. I'm so sick of people needed boneless, skinless everything just so they don't have to be confronted with the fact that an animal died for their food. If you feel guilt about it, maybe you shouldn't be indulging.



I say, buy smaller amounts of organic meat, and eat more vegetarian meals during the week (instead of meat every single day).

That way you are saving some money by not buying as much meat, and you are doing your body and the environment a huge favor by not relying on meat, and eating it every day.



Original Post by: ninav

"Access to pasture throughout the grazing season"

That's key... access doesn't necessarily mean it actually happens. There is not enough pasture land available to support the current gluttony of animal products this country consumes every year. It's quite evident that eating animals is destroying our health and the environment let alone our spiritual and social harmony.

Humans tell ourselves elaborate lies about 'humanely raised' , 'free range' , 'organically fed' - none of this makes up for the slaughter and suffering of billions of animals every year which WE CAN NOT BEAR TO WITNESS. 

And why?  Because we are basically genuinely and truly compassionate at heart. We've just been duped into believing we must "KILL" for our survival by the corporate consumerist pharmaceutical medical machine that is literally devouring our planet.

Stop listening to the insanity of it all and look at your hands... do you have claws?  Look at your teeth. Do you have fangs?  Listen to your heart? Do you like to kill.

Break free from this and become part of the change this planet needs for our survival.


I have fangs! I have claws! I loooove meat!



I am a 112lb, 45 year old non-organic meat eater (not over-eater).  No medical conditions - no pills( except maybe a multi-vitamin when I remember to take it).   I work out frequently and enjoy low cholesterol & blood pressure---and a clear conscience!  I can look a cow, pig (don't really eat a lot of pork though), chicken or fish in the eye without guilt.

I really don't have an opinion about meat or no meat, organic or not but I enjoyed many of the comments and found some humerous.  

However, scripture always gets my attention.

dieselsmaxmom - please read Genesis 9:3-4   or how about

1 Timothy 4:4-5 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received  with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. 

There are obvious benefits to vegetarinism (Daniel), but to call eating meat a sin does not line up with the Bible. 

I don't ever post and rarely read them, but I will try to remember to check back for your response.



 



Yes, I would kill a chicken to eat it. I would even eat a bug if I were really hungry....really really hungry.



At this point, if it's not organic/free-range, I don't buy it.  I will stock up if it's on sale; recently I bought fr organic whole chickens at Whole Foods for $1.29/lb.  I also have a discount grocery store in my boston neighborhood that sells fr organic flank steak and boneless chicken at ridiculously low everyday prices. I will pay more for the eggs.  Otherwise, I eat vegetarian, which I prefer most of the time anyway!



If an animal is stressed or unhealthy, it doesn't produce the quality or pounds of product that is required for the farmer/ owner to make a profit.

If you think logically about the processes animals are put through on ranches, farms and feedlots it is conducive to treat the animals with respect and patience so they produce the product that is sold. 

"Factory farms" is simply a term created by the large, animal welfare organizations to scare the public into turning to their side. For all of you who are vegetarians, read this article. Very informative. http://www.precisionnutrition.com/cattle-feedlot-visit

Also, as the gentleman in this article did, please go out and visit with the farmers, ranchers, owners of local facilities and try to truly understand how the animals that are used for food are treated and cared for and form your own opinion, not that of the commercials and ads that are put in front of you. 



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