The pregnant man is happy to be pregnant again.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27703442/wid/1191 5773/?gt1=43001

That's nice I guess. But I am sorry, this person is not physically a "man"...if you have eggs, a uterus and you are still using them...you are biologically a female and doing those female things.  I am kind of annoyed that they are sensationalizing this...like they are breaking all barriers or something. In reality, I could be a "pregnant man" too if I cut off my breasts, took enough hormones and grew a beard. 

Call it what it is...a trans-gender female (male) who wants to be a man, but who still wants to utilize her/his female goodies for reproduction.

It's all so confusing.

Original Post by monarch777:

 Actually, It does interest me. My mother had a trans-gender girlfriend who surgically became a MAN and then lied to my sister and told her she was the child of this person. Screwed her up when the truth came out when she was 16.

How would you like to be told that your father was really a woman,...and not even genetically related to you?

Ah...wonderful trans-gender lies.

Truth IS stranger than fiction.

Glad I was lucky enough to be sent to a foster home.

Please do not fool yourselves into thinking this is such a fairy tale ending. There are screwed up people here, in an equally screwed up society.

Anyone else here can identify?

 We know. That's the point... you've already made a very similar thread about this before (or at least posted heavily in the one that was made). We know you can't stand this guy so why comment on it a second time around? We get it.

I agree with you. Genetically they're a man. Their feelings are irrelevant.

If it actually were a person who was born a man who was pregnant, then it would be a big deal.

I agree that this is not a big deal. He is not genetically a man, so the "myth" for lack of a better word, that a man may give birth is still a myth. I respect their right to have a child, and I applaud them for being brave enough to face it head on. My hope for all trans genders and gay human beings is that they are allowed the same rights and privileges the rest of us take for granted. But really, he was born a woman and it's not a medical miracle that he is pregnant. I saw them on Oprah years ago, before any babies were conceived. I'm sure the children will be just fine, if you are not told it is weird or inhuman you don't know the difference. They should have a plan to confront the "mean" kids in their classes and at any extra curricular activities. THAT is going to be the obstacle to overcome here. Kids can be VERY mean.

Original Post by monarch777:

Original Post by pgeorgian:

Original Post by monarch777:

Why is Barbra Walters dignifying this with an interview anyhow? There are far more interesting and uplifting stories in the world. My opinion of course. Some people might find this fascinating.

 you were interested enough to start a thread about it.

 Actually, It does interest me. My mother had a trans-gender girlfriend who surgically became a MAN and then lied to my sister and told her she was the child of this person. Screwed her up when the truth came out when she was 16.

How would you like to be told that your father was really a woman,...and not even genetically related to you?

Ah...wonderful trans-gender lies.

Truth IS stranger than fiction.

Glad I was lucky enough to be sent to a foster home.

Please do not fool yourselves into thinking this is such a fairy tale ending. There are screwed up people here, in an equally screwed up society.

Anyone else here can identify?

Lying to your child is wrong, no matter who does it.

But it doesn't seem like that's what's going to happen here. By the very fact that this is all over the media. I can't guarantee because I don't know these people, but I'm guessing that if they're that open about it to the world at large, they'll also be open to the children about what's up.

As far as the father "not being genetically related" (though in this case he is...well, I have a stepfather. I have friends who were adopted by people not genetically related to them. But these people took time to love and raise someone else's children. Sometimes that's more than biological parents even bother doing, so why is it bad that they're not genetically related?

"Lying to your child is wrong, no matter who does it.

But it doesn't seem like that's what's going to happen here."

Why do you think they won't lie to their children when they are going on Oprah/ Baba Wawa and lying to all of us?

Original Post by trhawley:

"Lying to your child is wrong, no matter who does it.

But it doesn't seem like that's what's going to happen here."

Why do you think they won't lie to their children when they are going on Oprah/ Baba Wawa and lying to all of us?

What are they lying about?

Gender.

Original Post by trhawley:

Gender.

He seems to be upfront about being a transgendered man. It's common knowledge that's covered in every article I've read about this. Even if the Post starts with a sensational "Man Pregnant!" headline, the article goes on to explain that it's a transgendered man. (And if you feel the headlines are misleading, that's more on the journalist who wrote the headline than it's subject.) Has this person ever denied being transgendered or claimed to have been born a genetic male? If not, then they're not lying about gender.

Original Post by coffincritter:

Original Post by trhawley:

Gender.

 

He seems to be upfront about being a transgendered man. It's common knowledge that's covered in every article I've read about this. Even if the Post starts with a sensational "Man Pregnant!" headline, the article goes on to explain that it's a transgendered man. (And if you feel the headlines are misleading, that's more on the journalist who wrote the headline than it's subject.) Has this person ever denied being transgendered or claimed to have been born a genetic male? If not, then they're not lying about gender.

I'm with coffincritter on this one. 

He/She is a transgendered women.  Herein lies the lie.

Original Post by trhawley:

He/She is a transgendered women.  Herein lies the lie.

How is that a lie? 

He or she is claiming to be a pregnant man, albeit transgendered; however, he/she is a pregnant women, transgendered of course.  It reeks of "Man bit dog!"

Original Post by trhawley:

He or she is claiming to be a pregnant man, albeit transgendered; however, he/she is a pregnant women, transgendered of course.  It reeks of "Man bit dog!"

No, really, he is a pregnant man. 

But then, I happen to have respect for the transgendered community, and I don't see them as freaks of nature or liars.

Original Post by trhawley:

He or she is claiming to be a pregnant man, albeit transgendered; however, he/she is a pregnant women, transgendered of course.  It reeks of "Man bit dog!"

Trhawley--- HE HAS SAID HE IS TRANSGENDERED. THERE IS NO LIE. 

OK, I'm ignorant, I'll admit it but how does one determine whether they are a transgendered man or a transgendered woman?  Wouldn't operational reproductive parts figure into that equation somehow?

"Transgendered woman is pregnant for the second time" doesn't get you on Oprah does it.

Original Post by trhawley:

OK, I'm ignorant, I'll admit it but how does one determine whether they are a transgendered man or a transgendered woman?  Wouldn't operational reproductive parts figure into that equation somehow?

"Transgendered woman is pregnant for the second time" doesn't get you on Oprah does it.

No - operational reproductive organs have nothing to go with gender identification.

Original Post by alibsam:

Trhawley--- HE HAS SAID HE IS TRANSGENDERED. THERE IS NO LIE. 

The lie is perpetuated by the media and I think that's probably what I get peeved about. Mentally he is a man, that's fine, but physically - biologically - he is a woman. The headlines of "man gets pregnant" are a fallacy - it's sensationalist (although what in today's media isn't) and is simply not true. I also find it strange that someone who identifies as a man would want to be the one to give birth. I realise that we don't live in a homogeneous world, but most men have absolutely no desire to give birth.

That said, I think Monarch is bringing her own unpleasant past experience with a transgender person to the table and that's not fair. Just because you have had a bad experience with someone who was transgender doesn't make all transgendered people evil liars. To say that the actions of a single individual is representative of the community as a whole is unfair. I know I don't know you Monarch, but honestly the tone of some of your messages and the hints of underlying anger and resentment make me think you need councilling. I feel bad that you have to live with being so unhappy and angry all the time.

Ok, so a "Transgendered Man"  is someone who identifies themselves as a man even tough their assigned gender at birth based on genitalia was female.  This transgendered man retains his female genitalia and eventual gets pregnant and give birth to a gender assigned female.  Then this transgendered man gets pregnant again. Perhaps he and his wife are hoping for a gender assigned boy this time. 

As far as I'm concerned there is no story here and I don't understand why the press is covering it or why we are even discussing it.

The "lie" in my opinion is that the press is passing this off as beginning newsworthy but perhaps they are narrow minded.

Edit:  Ponda said it better.

The lie is perpetuated by the media and I think that's probably what I get peeved about. Mentally he is a man, that's fine, but physically - biologically - he is a woman. The headlines of "man gets pregnant" are a fallacy - it's sensationalist (although what in today's media isn't) and is simply not true

I tend to agree with this.  This doesn't make him a freak or a weirdo or any less of a human being.  But it is media sensationalism at its finest and it irritates me how they portray it.

Having said that, I kind of wonder where we draw the line.  I have questions.  For instance, At what point in their gender transformation should they switch bathrooms?  Someone brought up an all-female school.  Should men who identify themselves as a woman be let in?  Should women who identify themselves as a man be kicked out?  There are some fine lines here.  We all have opinions and we aren't all going to agree, but we might be able to have an interesting discussion about it if we all keep an open mind.

If you read the OP, you will see the Monarch states that it is being sensationalized. I agree with her. This person is not a man on the inside, that is why he can be pregnant. He is not like other men with the same internal plumbing. If this is going to be news it should say..Former woman, now a man, becomes pregnant.  That would put it all into perspective and there is NO story there, that is why they say Pregnant Man. Sensationalism at its finest. Needless to say I won't be watching. I think Baba WahWah lost her credibility a long time ago!