prescription appetite supp and hcg injections
please explain how this relates to weight loss.
to Daylee - yes it is the same hormone but a far lower amount that a pregnant women produces. If O read correctly a pregnant women produces tens of thousands of units of hCG - while the weight loss plan you only get 125 for 5 days a week for 8 weeks - I'm told that this tells your body to release the unneccessary stored fat from its holding place and puts it out there for your body to burn - The doc. said that it should release approx. 2000 cal a day to burn off. this plus the 800 cal diet keeps me from starving. I always feel satisfied now - and my energy seems to be up. Hope that answered your question :o)
Best Wishes to All!
There's no healthy way to lose weight by using drugs. Eating 800 calories a day and burning 2000 artificially will break your system and you will start to lose muscle mass and store fat instead.
You really need to see a good nutritionist, or take a look at the information provided on this site to help you learn the best way to lose the fat, gain muscle and stay healthy for the rest of your life.
If you stay on the diet your on, you will eventually rebound and make things worse.
Check out this helpful post:
http://www.calorie-count.com/forums/post/1730 4.html
The program was, 3 days a week, you go in for an injection in your butt. I never bothered to ask what the injection was, but I imagine it was something like the hcg shot.
You could eat 3 times a day; but barely anything. morning you could have their oatmeal, no milk, no cereal, no fruit. Afeternoon you could have their soup. dinner you could have a small salad with no dressing and one piece of turkey or one piece of chicken. 2 snacks. You could get these bars from the doctor, that were like slim fast bars, but not quite. Then the rest of the day you supresed your appetite and suppleented your lack of vitamins and nutrients with literally, 30+ pills a day and the pills? they smelled like garbage. Ever see requiem for a dream? The lady wanting to lose weight? That's how this program was. Something like "2 tan, 3 blue, 1 pink, 1 green" in the morning "all the same plus 3 red pills at lunch and dinner"
Yes, it worked. I lose 30 pounds.... but I was sad and so depressed and the pills tasted and smelled like shit, and the shots were expensive and basically all I was doing was STARVING but taking pills to convince myself that I wasn't harming my body! RIGHT.
HCG IS indeed a pregnancy hormone. While you're pregnant, it helps your body to make sure the fetus is receiving enough nutrients (among other things). For women who have intense morning sickness, this means their fetus will be using fat stores not usually readily available to be used as fuel for the body.
As far as being taken for males who are not developing through normal pubescent routes, this is true. However, it is taken in MUCH higher doses and for a much longer time. While dieting, it is only taken for a maximum of 40 days at a time and you must wait 6 weeks between the first and second cycles and 8 weeks between 2nd and 3rd cycles. The amount of time in between cycles increases the more cycles you do so that the body does not develop an immunity or a dependancy on the hormone.
As for the VLCD that goes with it, HCG deals with the hypothalmus gland to tell the body that it is indeed not starving. A double blind study showed that HCG actually increased the amount of Fat Weight (FW) lost and decreased the amount of Lean Weight (Lw) lost while dieting on low calorie diets. The most dramatic results were found to occur at a daily dosage of 250mg while larger doses had no increased benefits whatsoever.
I see it has been posted
that someone had to take pills and injections and assume they are the same
as this diet. That is most likely not the case, as most promoters of
the HCG diet do not recommend taking anything other than Calcium and
sometimes vitamin B supplements.
As for the safety of the product, no long term side effects have been associated with the use of HCG for dieting. In larger doses, as mentioned in other forums, it can have lasting effects if you take it for a longer period of time. This, as I've mentioned, does not happen when using this type of diet, because the doses are smaller and the period of time they are taken is much shorter.
Your Doctor is NOT a quack. He's actually trying to help you. I really don't understand why people think that going on a low calorie diet just magically works for everyone. HCG helps people who are genetically predisposed to obesity. Obesity, in it's many forms, is not curable by a diet alone. What the HCG does is reset your hypothalmus gland so you stop storing fat in ways that make it inaccessible for use as fuel for the body.
If you haven't done any research on the diet, please don't post negative comments. It's people like that who make it difficult for those who are just looking for an honest and educated answer.
For more information on this diet, please look at Dr. Simmeons' (sp?) manuscript. You can find it several places on the web if you do a google search. I strongly recommend that anyone who has doubts about the diet or just wants to understand it better read it.
Good luck Nanno60. Try the HCG diet. I don't sell it. I don't make money from my statements. I just know I've done enough research to tell you that I know what I'm talking about. So, ignore the naysayers and try it out. You'll be glad you did.
I agree smilbie,
Anyone who says that you are starving on the hcg diet hasnt read Pound and Inches or spoken with anyone of thousands of people who have been cured by this protocol. They need to do research.
Technically, any diet is a form of starvation. So, people in the "just exercise and eat better club" are starving themselves if they are dieting. If the body wants to be fat, it will be or it will fight you with cravings the entire time. It's not a matter of will power as doctors and researchers are becoming more and more convinced of.
Hcg protocol isn't a starvation or a diet because your body is flooded by calories the entire time you're on it. The calories from your fat stores.
I've read up on it and I suggests other do as well. ")
That sounds very interesting, in a good way. I know people say that normally you should only lose 2 lbs per week because that's how much fat your body can normally metabolize in a week. I hadn't heard of that injection but it sounds incredible to let your body metabolize fat faster. I wonder if it's an extra 2000 calories available from fat stores a day or 2000 total? If it's an extra 2000 that would mean you could essentially eat nothing and still have enough calories for the day (2000) and that you could, in theory, burn 3000 calories of fat per day, that's like .85 lbs per day. If you had a deficit of 3000 cal/day, but still that's amazing. It's very interesting that they've figured out a way to essentially reprogram our brains (temporarily) to tell our bodies to get rid of fat stores, that's incredible.
Yes, it's incredible - because it's not actually true as a quick and painless search on Pubmed and some cursory reading of the associated papers would show you.
Ineffectiveness of human chorionic gonadotropin in weight reduction: a double-blind studyMR Stein, RE Julis, CC Peck, W Hinshaw, JE Sawicki and JJ Deller Jr,American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol 29, 940-948,(free full text available)
And
Human chorionic gonadotrophin and weight loss. A double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. Bosch B, Venter I, Stewart RI, Bertram SR. S Afr Med J. 1990 Feb 17;77(4):185-9.
and
The effect of human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) in the treatment of obesity by means of the Simeons therapy: a criteria-based meta-analysis. G K Lijesen, I Theeuwen, W J Assendelft, and G Van Der Wal, Br J Clin Pharmacol. 1995 September; 40(3): 237–243.It's all complete and utter nonsense, and I'd let it pass by quietly except that it's also horrifyingly dangerous nonsense because it promotes a literal starvation diet under the guise of "fast, safe weight loss". Convicted felon and notorious serial fraud Kevin Trudeau made the HCG diet the centerpiece of his weight loss scam The Weight Loss Cure "They" Don't Want You to Know About along with promoting Scientology which is where the current popularity of what is at heart a starvation diet comes from.
Gee, I wonder who funded those double blind tests? Anyway, go to youtube and see all the people who've recorded every stage of their weight loss and read Dr Simeon's manuscript. Sure, Trudeau is a felon but Dr. Simeon was not and he wrote the manuscript over 40 years ago. Trudeau borrowed it but that's beside the point
I'm not hear to convert anyone. I just know people who have done it and so I'm going to go with that and all the personal research I've done which is numerous. For every negative study on this there are many more positive examples. :)
My mother and I have been on the plan for 27 days. we both lost 20 lbs. (I still have to lose another 40 lbs) We are starting our next phase after 6 weeks then we will do the 23 day cycle again. We had no problems, and are pleased with the results. It is true, in theory with the HCG our bodies are burning quite a few calories from our fat. If it were a starvation diet, instead of losing this much weight so fast, our bodies would go into hibernation, and start storing the fat, especially people who are overweight. We did so much research, and while the diet it is widely used incorrectly, we followed it to a T, and had great results. But, just like any diet, if you stick with it, it will work. if you cheat it wont work. So simple, yet I have let myself get out of control, but this is working for me, and I am grateful! Just do the research before you pass judgment.
P.S. The injections are a piece of cake! That was the easiest part!!!
I've never heard of this but it's so interesting. Does the HCG shot necessarily have to accompany a VLCD? Can it just go along with the lower calorie diet? Or is the assumption that people predisposed to obesity will have trouble losing with the Low cal diet anyway. Where do people get these services?d
Just in terms of nutritionist/medical culture, I should add that I often hear praise for VLCDs by doctors and nutritionists and the ones that teach my classes act like it's the only epidemiologically proven effective thing out there for weight loss. Unlike on CC where it seems to raise the ire of everyone out there. It raises my ire too, since I'm much happier on double the calories and I've lost weight pretty rapidly without being miserable. VLCD sounds terrible! hCG sounds intriguing however...
I reiterate:
It sounds intriguing, but it's complete nonsense. Funding for double-blind studies don't matter, only the validity and statistical explanatory power of the results, and the only people who get hung up on funding sources are quacks who don't understand the scientific process and/or are out to sell you something.
There is nothing there. People put on the same VLCD diet in a controlled environment, one group given HCG injections and the other given placebo, double blind so no-one knew who got what - if HCG injections actually did anything one of those groups should have experienced a difference in their weight loss. Either lost more fat, preserved more lean mass, or whatever.
There was absolutely no difference between groups, and in the meta-studies of 24 different such trials there wasn't a single credible study that could show a detectable difference between groups that got the shots and groups that didn't - there was one poor study that showed some difference, but the balance of evidence is on the side of the null proposition, that there's no effect. Leading a reasonable man without an expensive diet plan to sell to conclude that the whole concept doesn't work.
Of course you lose a lot of weight on a starvation diet like this. But the HCG injections don't work to preserve lean mass, which means you're losing a horrendous amount of muscle tissue to the starvation effect of consuming less than 20% of your daily calorie requirement. (See the Minnesota starvation experiment for more details on the effect of starvation - from a diet with a milder 50% calorie restriction than the 75-90% restriction of this starvation plan.)
Do the nutritionists and doctors concern themselves with special populations of obese patients who are candidates for baratric surgery? 'Cause in the medical literature VLCD diets are only recommended for populations suffering from Class III or higher morbid obesity where the risk of undergoing a VLCD to reach a less deadly class of obesity is less than the continued risk of being so overweight you risk a heart attack getting out of bed. For anyone who isn't class III morbidly obese and under the direct supervision of medical personnel, a VLCD is strongly discouraged.
I think it's insane what some people will put themselves through to lose weight. They'll do anything EXCEPT eat healthy and exercise.. it's seriously hilarious. Good god.
has anyone here ever seen Requiem for a Dream?
I so agree.. Do the work yourself and you will lose it.. Its about a change in bad habits to healthy ones. Once they lose the weight it will come back.. cravings will take place and so will the weight. You going to get a shot in the @ss for the rest of your life injecting hog chemicals into your body? If you can do it then go for it..Bet you will be right back here in a year once you stop that way of weight loss if not sooner following healthy eating habits. Been there with starving... what ever we are doing it is wrong if you are not eating healthy and exercising. Been there with Adipex as well. Sure it is nice to see a huge fast loss in pounds but old habits return.. Its called learing to eat good food and exercise. Period!
I am 23 years old and I'm actually on the HCG diet right now. My older sister introduced it to me when she heard about it through Kevin Troudeau. He talked about it thoroughly in his Natural Cures book. My sister was 5'8 and weighed 185lbs at her heaviest and she now weighs on average about 130lbs. She has been able to maintain the weight by following Dr. Simmeons' protocol. I can't offer a ton of facts about it to you. I'd just say read the protocol (it's available online) and decide for yourself wiether it's something you can do. I can say that it has been the cure for my sister who has struggled with weight her whole life. I'm a believer in this diet. Two weeks into the diet I've noticed not only weight loss, but a complete change in the shape of my body. Those "hard to lose" areas that just seem to want to cling to you no matter how many crunches you do are shrinking and I feel better about my body than I have in a long time. This diet works and gives you results that I was not able to achieve with a healthy diet and excersize alone. For those who have battled their self esteem and weight for way too long, this is a miracle. No joke.
P.S. The injections are a piece of cake. I use insulin needles and they work just as well as the big daddys. :) But I've heard they now offer HCG drops that you can put under your tounge 6 times a day. That's if you are too freaked out to use the needle. For some reason people think you are a quack if you do the injections. OH... and also, don't pay a fortune for the HCG from your doctor. You can order HCG from a med supply and do it yourself. Not worth driving to a doc a million times a week and being swindled! :)
never tried hcg injections (heard of them but not willing to try) but a few years back a doctor prescribed phentermine which severely suppresses the appetite. I followed his diet plan which consisted of eating oatmeal and protein for breakfast(no sugar), as many veggies as I want and meat or eggs for my lunch and dinner, but no fruit, rice, bread, or sugar. I also worked out 20 min a day. This worked and I lost 15 pounds. I never craved my usually sweets and following the plan was easy. However, The down side is that your body get's used to the pills and subsequently your cravings for sugar and fruit return. Plus I couldn't see why it was wrong to eat fruit. Anyways I realized that I had to find a more natural way to lose weight because appetite suppressants only work for so long and I knew I had to work on being moderate in my eating habits without the pills if I was going to maintain a healthy weight. I also never felt comfortable with the idea that I couldn't eat fruit. Maybe the appetite suppressant pills can help give a person a boost while learning a new way of eating but they definitely wear off. So my advice is to have a plan b.
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