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Vegetarian morality, animal consciousness and ability to feel pain Oct 31 2011
20:12 (UTC)
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Very interesting stuff to think about! I actually agree with a lot of your reasoning (especially your first paragraph-- my head hurts thinking about your second paragraph-- might address it later)--it's funny that when I was having a similar discussion with my 12 year old daughter, she brought up the idea of distinguishing between what animals were "useful" in other ways as a method to determine which animals we should feel more comfortable eating.

I strive to eat far more vegetables and fruits than meat and dairy products. I'll have to look up the term flexitarian again, but I might also be in that category.

 

 

 

Vegetarian morality, animal consciousness and ability to feel pain Oct 31 2011
02:45 (UTC)
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Original Post by trancendenz:

Original Post by meghanything:

Original Post by javagen3:

In my mind I have created a sort of animal hierarchy- it's hard to explain, but the animals at the top of my hierarchy I would never consider eating; such as horses, dogs, cats, (any domestic pets really), dolphins and any other obviously intelligent creature.

Do you include pigs, which are smarter than several of the animals you listed?

 And how does one define intelligence anyway? I don't think that's a very logical way to determine what to or not to eat.

 Exactly. It isn't logical, which is what led me to consider what might pass for consciousness/intelligence/suffering for plants; and how each of us draws that line. For vegetarians and vegans, the line is simply in a different place than mine.

Please know that I have the utmost respect for your diet choices and I hope my thoughts aren't taken as an attack towards vegetarians. I was simply responding to the opening post.

Vegetarian morality, animal consciousness and ability to feel pain Oct 31 2011
02:39 (UTC)
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Original Post by meghanything:

Original Post by javagen3:

In my mind I have created a sort of animal hierarchy- it's hard to explain, but the animals at the top of my hierarchy I would never consider eating; such as horses, dogs, cats, (any domestic pets really), dolphins and any other obviously intelligent creature.

Do you include pigs, which are smarter than several of the animals you listed?

Are they? I haven't been around pigs much up close and personal.

Vegetarian morality, animal consciousness and ability to feel pain Oct 26 2011
20:35 (UTC)
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In my mind I have created a sort of animal hierarchy- it's hard to explain, but the animals at the top of my hierarchy I would never consider eating; such as horses, dogs, cats, (any domestic pets really), dolphins and any other obviously intelligent creature. This might be better termed as a food hierarchy because at the bottom, I place fruits, vegetables and edible plants like flowers. Do plants feel pain? Does the apple feel anything being plucked away from its "parent"? Does the tree lament its lost ability to reproduce at will? Do plants think? Probably not in terms that we would recognize as intelligence compared to animals. But, I believe that this sort of overall philosophy of not eating something because of the pain it might cause that thing cannot totally ignore the fact that everything we eat was alive at one point. Then again, I might be guilty of overthinking things and taking theories to their extremes. :)

Foods $30 WEEKLY Food Budget - HELP! Oct 04 2011
20:37 (UTC)
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You seem like a smart person to me. So, with that in mind, you should consider the idea that the adults in your life are not always right, nor obviously are your peers who are likely less mature than you are. Whoever has influenced you in such negative ways are people who, if you can avoid them, you really should.

I remember how I felt at 16-- super shy and much more comfortable with other adults than my own peers. All that changed at college for me where I found a wide variety of interesting people to connect with and a way to learn some independence. Please don't believe you are "empty on the inside", rather you should think that you simply haven't found the things that interest you or move you in life yet. I would try very hard to focus on what you want for yourself rather than what you think other people want from/for you!

Regarding your folks, and this budget thing-- how long to they plan to continue this "lesson"? Can you have a heart to heart with them, and concede perhaps? What is their goal for you? Is it something you can compromise on so you can just be a teenager again?

Foods Boggles the mind Oct 04 2011
20:13 (UTC)
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Original Post by wordsmithmkuk:

The rest of the time, we muddle through. If the meal is calorie-heavy, I take a smaller chunk of the main part, and top up with more veggies, as does my younger daughter. My older daughter is undeweight so we tend to give her a more calorie-laden plateful and ease back on the lo-cal "fillers".

 I suppose I just need to find some more willpower! I try to eat this way. My 12 year old daughter is on the lighter side and my 2 year old is supposed to be eating high calorie foods to bring her up to an average weight so I can relate to your situation.

I had to laugh when you mentioned the teenagers preferring to eat whatever is on the table over having to cook and clean up! I am very familiar with that ploy. I do try to get them to plan, cook and clean up once in a while though. But I figure that homework has to take priority and so this doesn't happen very often.

 

Regarding my husband, believe me when I say I've tried all sorts of ways to cook a wide variety of veggies. I think that where he's concerned, I simply have to try to provide low calorie meat dishes. It's so frustrating for me to try to get through to him about what he can really be eating. I'm gearing up here for an uncomfortable and blunt conversation very soon.

Foods $30 WEEKLY Food Budget - HELP! Oct 04 2011
14:39 (UTC)
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Okay, this is nutty. I have a 16 year old, a 12 year old and a 2 year old. I can't imagine making my teenager do this sort of thing. Right now, homework is his key priority, next chores, third, social and extracurricular school activities and fourth, his choice of exercise which happens to be fencing. As far as food, I teach him about shopping, cooking and cleaning. He comes to the store with me once in a while, and I point out what are good things to buy and stay in budget with-- I just can't imagine making him take care of this all on his own right now. There must be a great deal of history with you and your parents that they feel they need to take these steps with you. It just doesn't feel right to me, as a parent, especially considering you are on the verge of an eating disorder, it seems.

Weight Loss 800 calories...seriously? Aug 19 2011
18:03 (UTC)
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Um. Again. This is a really old thread. The person who started it probably has already found a solution to this issue-- so addressing her directly just seems really odd to me. :)

Weight Loss 800 calories...seriously? Aug 16 2011
00:53 (UTC)
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Just a note -- this thread is nearly a year old! I am curious what the outcome was though.

Weight Loss Does it matter when I get my water intake? Feb 23 2011
19:21 (UTC)
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Original Post by jp5074139:

I didn't say toxins.  I said kidney stones.  Those aren't formed by toxins but by calcium and other kinds of deposits.  Drinking more keeps them from forming.  If you've ever had one you'd happily trade a "small strain", however small or however a strain that actually is, to never have one again.  I've had several, but none since upping my intake several years ago to the 1oz/2lbs-body-weight recommendation you'll commonly see around here.

Ugh. I know about kidney stones. My younger brother has had that problem. Glad to hear you haven't had to suffer any recently! 

I did make the leap from kidney stones to toxins-- sorry-- it's just that I hear that line so much about water clearing out toxins, I suppose it makes me a bit, erm, jumpy... The article from NPR might indeed be a bit unimpressive-- I think the first one I linked to was better. And I guess this is me being too lazy at this point to bother to look up anything else.

My main argument here, I suppose, is that there are a lot of very persuasive and well beloved myths surrounding the consumption of water. Instead of just blindly accepting advice about water on diet sites, I think it is a better idea to do a little research on the science behind this advice and see if it really does apply to you and your needs.

Weight Loss Does it matter when I get my water intake? Feb 23 2011
18:44 (UTC)
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According to what I've read, drinking a lot of water has a very minimal effect on skin elasticity-- in fact, it is so minimal as to have nearly no effect at all. That too is nearly a myth.

Nor does it help the kidneys clear out toxins. In fact, some doctors are now warning that drinking excess water over long periods of time puts a small strain on your kidneys.

Here's another quick article on the topic:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php? storyId=89323934

Weight Loss Does it matter when I get my water intake? Feb 23 2011
16:50 (UTC)
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Anything you eat or drink will help to hydrate your body. Drink when you are thirsty-- no need to force yourself to drink tons of water at certain times of the day.

The advice to drink 8 glasses of water a day is essentialy, a myth. See here for a very good and brief article on the topic:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm ?id=eight-glasses-water-per-day

 

 

 

Motivation Fatter than before I got LIPOSUCTION! (my first entry here, nice to meet yall) Dec 21 2010
16:16 (UTC)
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It is hard cooking for kids or other family members who do not need to lose weight.  I have three kids, including two daughters who are on the lower end of the weight scale. I vary what I do. One or two nights a week, I'll go ahead and serve them a frozen convenience meal. For me, if I'm not preparing the food, it is easier to not eat it- so I give myself a break that way.  I do prepare at least two vegetable side dishes with every lunch and every dinner I eat. I limit the amount of carbs, meat, fat and dairy that I eat to very small portions and try to fill up on veggies . I eat 3 fruit servings a day too. Other nights, when I'm actually cooking for the kids, I will buy simple things like chicken breasts or lean pork chops so there are no leftovers later. When I do cook a big meal like stew or chili, I'll pack up the leftovers and freeze half before dinner is even over as it is impossible to make a small batch of chili! Then I have the bonus of a dinner already prepared for the next week.  

 

The Lounge What do you think I should do? creepy cell phone guy Dec 16 2010
15:39 (UTC)
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Have a male friend with a deep voice record your greeting message on your voicemail. This may put a kink in your stalker's plans. This method has worked for people I know.

Pregnancy & Parenting I will never understand why my teenager... Nov 15 2010
18:15 (UTC)
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As my son hit puberty; I required him to take showers and made sure he kept up with grooming. This isn't something that's intrinsic, you have to teach them! I was very blunt and insistent with him and am going to do the same thing with my daughter. Honestly, when I walk by a couple of teens in a mall who have nasty body order, I blame their parents!

The first time my son tried cologne he closed his eyes and sprayed a bunch on his forehead. I still laugh when I think about that. It was a perfect opportunity to explain exactly how much cologne to use, where to spray it, etc....

Today, it is snowing and my 15 year old walks out for school in shorts and a t-shirt with a jacket slung over his backpack. I'm betting I'll get a call around 3ish....

Pregnancy & Parenting 5 year old with abnormal eating habits Nov 15 2010
18:09 (UTC)
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Have you aleady considered food allergies? I always watch for this with my kids since I have two brothers with gluten and dairy allergies. When my younger brother was a kid, so many foods made him ill that he too would rarely try something new. It took him until he was an adult to figure out his food allergies. There are many common allergens besides dairy and gluten-- like corn and soy. Have you documented exactly what makes him vomit?

I'm guessing there also might be certain psychological conditions that could make him behave that way too-- I really don't know much about that sort of thing but it sounds like he might have something along the lines of an obsessive compulsive disorder?

Good luck!

 

The Lounge Weekend Plans? Nov 13 2010
21:26 (UTC)
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Original Post by luvchips:

crummy restaurant? what is that ( sorry for the ignorance)

 "Crummy" just means "poor quality". The place serves what they call American style homecooked food. So, there's lots of fried food and bad carbs. It is a theme restaurant and nothing about the place is to my taste.

The Lounge Would you ever be a nude model? Nov 12 2010
17:48 (UTC)
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I did nude modeling for an art photographer back in my 30s. I'm actually very proud of the pictures. They are beautiful and make me smile. I heard that they won some awards. There's no way my (new) husband would let me do that now though and I'm fine with that.

Pregnancy & Parenting Go ahead and try, or Finish the goal? Nov 12 2010
17:38 (UTC)
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As someone who recently had a baby, I can tell you that being overweight and pregnant is no picnic! You will have increased risk factors to your health and to the baby's. This was the worst pregnancy I ever had- I was sick the whole time and often worried about what the next risk might be at every appointment.

Are you being selfish to wait? Hell no. I'd say just the opposite. It would be more selfish to attempt a pregnancy due to some arbitary timeline when you are not at your healthiest! Why 2 years? Why not 4 years? You could have one finishing college before the next goes. I would also argue that the bigger the age gap, the less competition there is for toys and friends. Finally, you are young! You have plenty of time to increase your family. I'm 44 and have a 15 year old, 11 year old and 16 month old.  My older kids are a tremendous help with the baby.

The Lounge Weekend Plans? Nov 12 2010
17:24 (UTC)
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Sorry to hear about the break in! And glad to hear you had insurance. I hope you are able to sell you place as quick as you would like. We've had a place on the market for over two years now; we at least are able to rent it for a portion of the mortgage on it. 

So for the weekend, I plan to take care of some projects around the house and then meet up with friends on Saturday night for a dinner at a crummy restaurant. I didn't pick the place but it's really more about visiting than eating.

 

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