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The Lounge nine-year-old kills gun range instructor with uzi Aug 28 2014
14:55 (UTC)
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Inexcusably bad decision on the part of every adult involved. One that poor kid now has to live with her whole life.

The Lounge ISIS (or ISIL) Aug 22 2014
16:15 (UTC)
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Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by kathygator:

Original Post by lysistrata:

Why would that be scary? Honestly, the resistance against then so far has been flaccid and there's no indication that this has made any difference.

On Thursday, Kurdistan's regional government praised the assistance provided by the United States and the international community.

"We are grateful to the men and women of the American armed forces who have carried out these decisive attacks against the terrorist forces of ISIS," said a statement from the regional government.

. . .

Ah. I think I mistook you. Sorry.

The Lounge ISIS (or ISIL) Aug 22 2014
15:41 (UTC)
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Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

Original Post by theviewfromhere:

Original Post by catwalker:

If ISIS was actually smart, they would have released all the hostages and asked for a stop to the bombings and pretended to lay low for awhile. Instead they poked the bear and dared him not to bite. They will probably kill more hostages. This will only increase the resistance against them.

ISIS does resemble the Nazi regime in some ways, mostly in ruthlessness.

I did pull up the full video of Foley's death. My son and I watched the entire thing. It was awful. The executioner used an army type knife and sawed off his head.

How do you get religious groups to quit using their religion to execute each other? Why do people kill for their religion? I truly don't get it. All the religions say to love each other and show charity, yet people don't follow the tenets of their holy books. They use passages to justify the worst of actions.

religion isn't the reason; it's just the excuse.

If not religion then what is the reason?

Controlling the flow of easily accessible light crude for profit, while the supply lasts. IMO

The Lounge ISIS (or ISIL) Aug 22 2014
15:39 (UTC)
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Original Post by lysistrata:

Why would that be scary? Honestly, the resistance against then so far has been flaccid and there's no indication that this has made any difference.

On Thursday, Kurdistan's regional government praised the assistance provided by the United States and the international community.

"We are grateful to the men and women of the American armed forces who have carried out these decisive attacks against the terrorist forces of ISIS," said a statement from the regional government.

The Lounge ISIS (or ISIL) Aug 22 2014
14:37 (UTC)
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Original Post by cajunrider:

Original Post by kathygator:

...and giving ISIL/ISIS juice via media - social and journalistic - attention. Does that do more harm or less harm?

Will showing the slaughter of elephant for tusks get more people to buy ivory?

Calling for attention, for stopping violence will not do more harm. Sure they get some publicity but that publicity only means that actions will follow to stop them.

 

The difference being that no one is threatening to kill elephants unless we allow the harvesting of ivory.

These guys beheaded a journalist and threatened to behead another one unless airstrikes stopped. They perpetrated an act of terrorism in order to force the US to withdraw support, so they can terrorize more people. But ultimately, they die out without a continued flow of radicalized Muslim recruits.

So, tweeting to our government to 'give in' or 'bomb more', either one, furthers the ISIS agenda, doesn't it?

The Lounge ISIS (or ISIL) Aug 22 2014
14:29 (UTC)
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In the immediate future, I think continuing our air support of Kurdish resistance, defending our assets there, and supporting Iraqi government forces with targeted strikes are the right things to do.

But there is no getting around the fact that ISIS isn't trying to get themselves a homeland. They aren't claiming some noble higher purpose. They are bent on destroying vast segments of populations, in multiple countries, that don't agree with them.

I think they most closely resemble Nazis, only without a particular country of origin.

The Lounge ISIS (or ISIL) Aug 22 2014
14:02 (UTC)
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...and giving ISIL/ISIS juice via media - social and journalistic - attention. Does that do more harm or less harm?

The Lounge ISIS (or ISIL) Aug 22 2014
13:56 (UTC)
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I've been thinking about this since it happened. I've been trying to process it, trying to look outside my initial revulsion that it happened. We've seen the murder of hundreds of thousands, in Sunni-Shia violence. How many were executed or displaced at Darfur? Millions.

I don't know the answer. Do you, as a planet, empower the UN to police the situation? Send in a quarter of a million international troops and just take over? Do you beg, plead, tweet?

Dunno. What I do know is that the most vile reason, in the universe, to kill people is over religion.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 21 2014
18:02 (UTC)
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I want to speak to Greg.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 21 2014
18:00 (UTC)
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I thought the audio that was picked up was just a couple of guys telling each other what they heard happened.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 21 2014
17:54 (UTC)
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I saw a report at one point indicating that an un-named woman had turned over video of the incident to the FBI, which Nomo pointed out early on in the thread. I so hope that's true, no matter what it reveals.

The Lounge Governor Rick Perry indicted Aug 21 2014
17:47 (UTC)
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I still want to speak to Greg.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 21 2014
17:30 (UTC)
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Should have said 'number shots that hit Brown*'.

 

*no idea why I keep adding the 'e'.

The Lounge Governor Rick Perry indicted Aug 21 2014
17:27 (UTC)
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heh,. Apologies. As I said...not prone to give more than a passing glance.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 21 2014
17:20 (UTC)
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Original Post by pavlovcat:

So I just read a few news stories indicating that some witnesses have said Brown was running toward the cop when he was fatally shot.  That muddies things nicely.

 

Oh sure. NOW you do some research...

:P

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 21 2014
17:19 (UTC)
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Original Post by WinterInMay:

Original Post by kathygator:

I don't need to beatify Browne to recognize that he did not deserve to be shot to death by a police officer. The simple fact that he was unarmed in the commission of the crime of jaywalking should, really should be all I need to know.

As I said, the officer has all the power. He dictates the exchange. In this instance he called out from his vehicle and by doing so telegraphed an informality that was met with informality. He escalated the situation.

Maybe 1 in a thousand cops would have done what he did. Maybe 1 in 100. I don't know. What I do know, is that in jurisdictions all across the country, that 1 officer's actions would have to be called into question.

Because: dead unarmed jaywalker.

It's not all I need to know.  I need to know if there were any factors contributing to the use of lethal force.  An orbital fracture and the officer's statement that the victim was charging at him after said fracture is definitely worth knowing.

Of course I need the particulars. Because the situation went ass up. I was using hyperbole to convey my belief that there was absolutely no reason for the situation to go ass up.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 21 2014
16:39 (UTC)
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The placement of the body in relation to the vehicle is established fact. The beginning of the incident is established fact, corroborated by both the police department and witnesses. The number of shots is established fact. There are three witnesses, named witnesses not anonymous 'friend of the officer' third party hearsayers, that have said Browne was surrendering when he was killed.

I'm not oversimplifying. I will readily admit I'm putting myself in that boy's mother's shoes, though.

 

 

 

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 21 2014
16:20 (UTC)
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Original Post by lysistrata:

If he did, in fact, beat the officer badly enough to fracture an orbital socket, you are indeed beatifying him by categorizing him as just an unarmed jaywalker.

No. I'm not. Because the kid was shot 35 feet away from the vehicle. The threat, if there was one, was past.

The struggle in the car would have earned Browne a hard take-down, certainly, but that should have been it. And it would not relieve the cop of having to explain why there was a struggle in the vehicle, and why he didn't get out and ticket the kids for jaywalking, instead of yelling out his window.

 

 

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 21 2014
16:13 (UTC)
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Original Post by theviewfromhere:

Original Post by kathygator:

The simple fact that he was unarmed in the commission of the crime of jaywalking should, really should be all I need to know.

...

Because: dead unarmed jaywalker.

i should probably get my affairs in order now.

and get Kevlar for your dog.

The Lounge Governor Rick Perry indicted Aug 21 2014
16:10 (UTC)
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The piece I linked indicated that only the chick was heading up a corruption investigation against the governor. The other two were just...drunk...

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