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The Lounge UPDATED to add link: assisted suicide Oct 08 2014
20:54 (UTC)
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Original Post by februarystars:

Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

Original Post by theviewfromhere:

Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

To my mind, taking the steps that might be required (signing consent?) is a form of taking responsibility.

 

agree, except that if you can sign a consent, you can swallow a pill. i could see the doctor providing the pill, with the signed consent. but i don't think a physician should have to administer the medication (ie: IV), which is what assisted suicide typically looks like.

except in cases of severe disability, like ALS or something, in which the individual physically cannot pick up a pill and swallow it.

partly, i guess, i feel this way because i know people change their minds. y'know, somebody who says while they're healthy that they wouldn't want to live with a severe disability, once they have the disability - you never know.

Imminent death will certainly create indecision.  I signed a DNR for someone and when push came to shove I changed my mind.

Did you ever see the movie The Bridge?  One of the guys interviewed survived jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge and he said as soon as he stepped over the edge and began to fall, he was overwhelmed with regret. 

that was an amazing(ly depressing) documentary.  But i think they're two entirely different situations.  That man had a choice to live, where as the people who this applies to have no choice -- they will die because of their conditions, typically in a very short time frame. 

my mother had 6 months from when they told her that her condition was terminal to when she died, and about 4 of them were excruciatingly painful for her, and very hard on her caregivers (including an 18 year old me..).  i can almost assure you regret would not enter into the equation if she'd been given the option to end her life before the cancer did. 

Oh I agree it's a completely different scenario. 

The Lounge When it becomes really real: Ebola in Canada Oct 08 2014
20:38 (UTC)
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Original Post by runesplendor:

Original Post by pavlovcat:

Is there an STD that causes the violent poops?

I can't imagine why a doctor would ask about sexual history if there's not.

Dunno - maybe gonnorhea?  I've heard it can appear in weird places like knees and stuff.  But I'm not googling that at work to find out.

The problem is more up at the other end - they're looking at obstructed bowel, ulcers, some thing about spasms, stuff like that.  They 99% ruled out appendicitis and cardiac problems.

If he's having the kind of sex that obstructs a bowel, I think we may need to talk about more than consent and condoms...

Lube.  You definitely need to be talking about lube.

The Lounge UPDATED to add link: assisted suicide Oct 08 2014
19:26 (UTC)
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Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

Original Post by theviewfromhere:

Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

To my mind, taking the steps that might be required (signing consent?) is a form of taking responsibility.

 

agree, except that if you can sign a consent, you can swallow a pill. i could see the doctor providing the pill, with the signed consent. but i don't think a physician should have to administer the medication (ie: IV), which is what assisted suicide typically looks like.

except in cases of severe disability, like ALS or something, in which the individual physically cannot pick up a pill and swallow it.

partly, i guess, i feel this way because i know people change their minds. y'know, somebody who says while they're healthy that they wouldn't want to live with a severe disability, once they have the disability - you never know.

Imminent death will certainly create indecision.  I signed a DNR for someone and when push came to shove I changed my mind.

Did you ever see the movie The Bridge?  One of the guys interviewed survived jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge and he said as soon as he stepped over the edge and began to fall, he was overwhelmed with regret. 

The Lounge Suffocating in this relationship Oct 08 2014
17:45 (UTC)
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You seem to be developing a habit of choosing these needy men for romantic relationships.  Have you given any thought to why that might be, or what it is about them that appears initially attractive to you?

As far as dealing with the situation at hand, the answer is to establish and enforce boundaries.  It requires a certain amount of confidence and firmness to do that, so you may want to practice.  You are not responsible for other peoples' reactions, which, to me, seem designed to manipulate you and quite effective at doing so.

The Lounge What did you love to do in junior high (middle school)? Oct 08 2014
17:42 (UTC)
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When I was like 4 and anybody asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up, I would answer, "An artist in the morning and a scientist in the afternoon."

I am, obviously, the most balanced person ever.

As I recall, the aptitude testing we did in high school put me at film director for #1 and flower arranger for #2.  Huh.

The Lounge if you could have a private cooking class Oct 08 2014
04:59 (UTC)
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Madhur Jaffrey.  Not even close!

Fitness October 2014 Fitness Group All Are Welcome!!!! Oct 08 2014
00:29 (UTC)
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Original Post by oldguysrule:

Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by oldguysrule:

Add my name to the list of people with a crappy overheat squat!

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Yesterday (Monday): I did a 3.3 mile recovery walk, on trails. My lower legs are still a bit swollen, but I'm getting my energy back quickly. DW's feet are in bad shape. She has  serious forefoot blisters that will take a while to heal. Not being able to do our morning walks is putting her in a nasty mood.

Oh noooooo.  What did I miss?

No worries necessary, but thanks. We are experiencing the expected results from pushing pretty close to our limits of steep hiking. See post #37 for some details. The first time that I did this "hike," (circa 1995) it took at least a month to recover. This year, I'll be 95% back to normal in less than a week.

 

 

Ah ha.  I get it now.  Crazy what that kind of distance can do to the body.  I have an uncle who is one of the fittest people I ever met (one of those guys who never made the leap to professional sports but wins every amateur cycling event in a few hundred mile radius) and he had to pull off the Pacific Crest Trail after three weeks because the mileage chewed him up and he ended up with cellulitis.  Hope DW is able to keep those blisters clean!  I'm sure it's hard for her to be cooped up.

The Lounge Clowns to the left of me, CHATters to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you Oct 07 2014
19:43 (UTC)
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Back to work my magic or crash and burn hard in the effort.

The Lounge Clowns to the left of me, CHATters to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you Oct 07 2014
19:42 (UTC)
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Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by pavlovcat:

Original Post by lysistrata:

*buffaloes chat*

I'm in a jury trial today.  I wish I had all y'all on my jury.

Is this the spicy chicken type of buffalo or the shaggy smelly beast kind of buffalo or the city that nobody wants to visit type of buffalo?

Your answer will heavily influence my responses to you in the future.

Uh oh.  Do I have any other choices?

If that's not your kinda music, can I just buy you off?

The Lounge Clowns to the left of me, CHATters to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you Oct 07 2014
19:41 (UTC)
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Original Post by pavlovcat:

Original Post by lysistrata:

*buffaloes chat*

I'm in a jury trial today.  I wish I had all y'all on my jury.

Is this the spicy chicken type of buffalo or the shaggy smelly beast kind of buffalo or the city that nobody wants to visit type of buffalo?

Your answer will heavily influence my responses to you in the future.

Uh oh.  Do I have any other choices?

The Lounge Clowns to the left of me, CHATters to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you Oct 07 2014
19:40 (UTC)
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Original Post by dnrothx:

Original Post by lysistrata:

*buffaloes chat*

I'm in a jury trial today.  I wish I had all y'all on my jury.

*heckles Lys from the jury*

 Bow to the Queen of Slime, the Queen of Filth, the Queen of Putrescence. Boo! Boo! Rubbish. Filth. Slime. Muck. Boo! Boo! Boo!

Ooo, I get to be Buttercup??  I feel so pretty!!

Fitness October 2014 Fitness Group All Are Welcome!!!! Oct 07 2014
19:25 (UTC)
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Original Post by oldguysrule:

Add my name to the list of people with a crappy overheat squat!

___________

Yesterday (Monday): I did a 3.3 mile recovery walk, on trails. My lower legs are still a bit swollen, but I'm getting my energy back quickly. DW's feet are in bad shape. She has  serious forefoot blisters that will take a while to heal. Not being able to do our morning walks is putting her in a nasty mood.

Oh noooooo.  What did I miss?

The Lounge Clowns to the left of me, CHATters to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you Oct 07 2014
19:22 (UTC)
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Original Post by purespark:

Heh. I dunno, Tom. It was in Stockton - not the nicest municipality - so there were probably too many convenience stores to canvass.

Yeah, armed robbery in Stockton ... next you'll tell me it was on a day of the week that ended in Y.

The Lounge Clowns to the left of me, CHATters to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you Oct 07 2014
19:21 (UTC)
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Original Post by immabee:

Hey lys, do you ever get called for jury duty?

I actually just got summoned last month, and I was devastated that I had to ask to be excused because it was right in the middle of my vacation.  I reeealy want to serve on a jury someday.

The Lounge Clowns to the left of me, CHATters to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you Oct 07 2014
19:18 (UTC)
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*buffaloes chat*

I'm in a jury trial today.  I wish I had all y'all on my jury.

Fitness October 2014 Fitness Group All Are Welcome!!!! Oct 07 2014
19:09 (UTC)
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Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

Original Post by crazineko:

First time w/ NROLSC BT III B:

Valslides 3x10

KB swings 2x8x25

Alternating w/ minimal rest:

OH Squats 3x12x40--->missed these.  Had to start at a low weight!

kneeling lat pulldown 3x12x62.5 + bar

SLRDLS-3x12x40--->missed these too!  Started light again. 

Alternating w/ min rest:

Push ups 3x12--->Dropped another notch.  I am now 3 from the floor!

RDL and Row 3x12x65

Hip Thrusts 3x12x95---> raised it from last time now that I have the perfect set up and comfort level.  I rocked these suckers!

Metabolic--> 30/30s x 6 jumping jacks and lateral fast steps

I am really happy with my choices.  I initially had a squat press for my combo move, but the OH squat I think made this a noticeably bad choice.  I switched it right away. 

I can't believe how weak my OH squat is. I'm not sure hwy but boy do I suck.

Today is my rest day. I walked on the treadmill at lunch since it was raining. I may play basketball or volleyball with the kids after work but that's it for today.

Mine is too.  I can do one or two at a fairly heavy (for me) weight, but keeping form after that is impossible.  I feel like practicing snatches would maybe help.

Fitness October 2014 Fitness Group All Are Welcome!!!! Oct 07 2014
19:05 (UTC)
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Original Post by crazineko:

Original Post by lysistrata:

Hey folks!  I'm back from vacation and reasonably caught up at work and ready to check back in.  So, I technically "finished" NROL Abs phase 1 4 weeks ago, but I'm going to do another round at phase 1 since I've been off for a while.  Vacation was completely awesome and I stayed really active the whole time - did a couple of spinning classes, a TRX class, a zumba class (!loved it!), some lifting, a couple runs on the treadmill, a 4 hour kayaking trip and lots and lots of hiking.  The downside was I got a mild ankle sprain towards the end of the trip and then a nasty cold.  So the first week back was just resting to not be sick and last week was late nights at work getting caught up.  But here I am!

So I'm supposed to run a half marathon this weekend.  It's not going to be pretty but I'll do it just to do it.  It's crazy how quickly a stupid chest cold deconditions the lungs.  I've been out a few times since we got back but only short runs, nothing longer than 4 miles.  So I won't aim for a crazy time or anything, but just to finish.

Tonight I did a modified NROL Abs Phase 1 Workout A.  (I say modified because I didn't feel like looking up the specific exercises so I went with close enough.)  I was very glad to see that 90 second planks were no big deal and 30 second side planks weren't too bad either.  I DL'd 2 sets of 10 at 80 and then 1 set of 10 at 100 (!)  I'm going to run out of weight at home pretty soon.  I did negatives on the chin up bar and I held a negative in the chin up grip for 5 whole seconds (!) before I realized I was cheating by pulling my knees up.  Oh well, it felt good for a minute there.  Finished with alternating overhead presses and elevated goblet squats at 30 lbs and then foam rolled - needed it badly.

Feels good to be home!

Welcome back!  I loved viewing your pictures.  They were lovely.  Sorry about your sprain and cold.  :(

I've still got more pictures to go!  :D  If a sprain and a cold is the cost of that vacation, where should I pay my advance for the next one?

The Lounge Rasslin' in the Lounge Oct 07 2014
15:26 (UTC)
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Original Post by runesplendor:

Even Hitler started somewhere, and likely with baby steps.  

Right now he's just spewing words and is pretty unlikely to be voted in for dog collector.  What if that changed, and he started getting traction with the outliers and fringey people, enough to be an actual concern?  I know I would draw the line well before you would, Lys, and I admit earlier than is even reasonable, by what I understand of free speech et al.  But that's a different discussion though, probably.

That's true, but every step, Hitler had the opportunity not to go down the road of murdering millions.

I generally accept the legal system as defining where the lines of acceptable and unacceptable behavior are drawn, although I think it's gone a little overboard with the line-drawing more recently.  So to me, the question is whether this person poses an imminent, inevitable threat.  It doesn't matter to me if this person lives in a bubble with his fringey fan club and they pat each other on the back over their fringey ideas.  It does matter to me if they start manufacturing napalm.

Inevitable, I think is important, because I think compromise is becoming a lost art.  An example of where negotiation and compromise might neutralize a threat is with the anti-vaxxers.  Obviously, at some point, it poses a risk to the herd for large numbers of kids to be unvaccinated.  So what options might exist to either convince anti-vaxxers to vaccinate, or to minimize the contact/risks to the herd?  People have to be willing to give and take in a negotiation, so options like reforming vaccination compounds and testing protocols should be on the table, alternative schooling and recreation opportunities, quicker and specific medical responses for unvaccinated kids, etc., should be on the table.  At some point, though, the group might have to decide that compromise isn't possible and now we're just going to forcibly vaccinate kids whether the parents want it or not.  Seeing as administering compulsory medical procedures contrary to parental consent is a huge door to open, where do you draw the line?  At what point is it "inevitable" that one unvaccinated kid is going to cause harm to others such that it warrants the use of force against the kid and the family?

The Lounge Rasslin' in the Lounge Oct 07 2014
15:02 (UTC)
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Original Post by runesplendor:

Original Post by catwalker:

I see you believe much more in the possibility that all people can be reached than I do. I don't believe such a person can be reached. I believe that some people are truly hopeless cases. Without know more about this person individually, I can't for certain say he's hopeless, but it appears to be heading steeply in that direction.

Absotively.

 

Specifically with this guy and people like him, I will accept my emotional stuntedness or immaturity or whatever it signals about me.  I don't want to understand him, I don't want to reach him, I definitely don't want to teach him.  I want to rip his tongue and fingers off so he can no longer damage the world by contributing to it.  I'm comfortable with my outliers in that way.

I think I did understand the larger point in the essay about moving beyond the dehumanization, especially when it comes to comparing a man like this to Japan and there's Nazi's out there who agree with him.  I get that he and I are both upper/middle class white people and so I should rise above and try to connect to endeavor change.

As a theory and academic discussion within the Lounge, that's lovely.  But for me, from a practical standpoint, I'd be just as happy if Adolph jr met with an unfortunate accident long before he could ever get more than a sniff of power.  I am cavewoman, hear me roar.

It's true that you can only tolerate civility to a point.  I'm probably more tolerant of SC dude because, you know, compared to actual Hitler, he's a loudmouth who hasn't murdered millions of people.  But the counterpoint to that example is that advocating for civility with actual Hitler is probably a bridge too far.  There is a point where you have to conclude, this person's behavior is intolerable, and I will use power to stop it.  And then the question is where each of us draws the line, and where we as a group can agree the line should be drawn.

Fitness October 2014 Fitness Group All Are Welcome!!!! Oct 07 2014
04:10 (UTC)
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Hey folks!  I'm back from vacation and reasonably caught up at work and ready to check back in.  So, I technically "finished" NROL Abs phase 1 4 weeks ago, but I'm going to do another round at phase 1 since I've been off for a while.  Vacation was completely awesome and I stayed really active the whole time - did a couple of spinning classes, a TRX class, a zumba class (!loved it!), some lifting, a couple runs on the treadmill, a 4 hour kayaking trip and lots and lots of hiking.  The downside was I got a mild ankle sprain towards the end of the trip and then a nasty cold.  So the first week back was just resting to not be sick and last week was late nights at work getting caught up.  But here I am!

So I'm supposed to run a half marathon this weekend.  It's not going to be pretty but I'll do it just to do it.  It's crazy how quickly a stupid chest cold deconditions the lungs.  I've been out a few times since we got back but only short runs, nothing longer than 4 miles.  So I won't aim for a crazy time or anything, but just to finish.

Tonight I did a modified NROL Abs Phase 1 Workout A.  (I say modified because I didn't feel like looking up the specific exercises so I went with close enough.)  I was very glad to see that 90 second planks were no big deal and 30 second side planks weren't too bad either.  I DL'd 2 sets of 10 at 80 and then 1 set of 10 at 100 (!)  I'm going to run out of weight at home pretty soon.  I did negatives on the chin up bar and I held a negative in the chin up grip for 5 whole seconds (!) before I realized I was cheating by pulling my knees up.  Oh well, it felt good for a minute there.  Finished with alternating overhead presses and elevated goblet squats at 30 lbs and then foam rolled - needed it badly.

Feels good to be home!

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