lysistrata

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The Lounge Governor Rick Perry indicted Aug 20 2014
14:36 (UTC)
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I don't think there is anything for the fed to investigate. It isn't the employer's responsibility to make sure its employees don't land in jail.
The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 20 2014
03:18 (UTC)
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Sorry to hear about your mom.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 20 2014
02:10 (UTC)
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Original Post by rosencrantz12:

Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

Original Post by rosencrantz12:

Original Post by cajunrider:
In this forum, let's keep the discussion civil and leave the personal differences as differences and don't escalate them to attacks.

Does this only apply to TV? Is it because she's not American, or that she's white? Female? Outspoken? Smart? Not a lawyer?

Did you happen to see the post that followed this one? Do you care?

I'm curious why you've taken on the role of policing this thread. A few pages back you asked why I was so offended by this thread when in fact I said nothing that would indicate that I was offended except to disagree with something TV had said.

 Yeah, I should have minded my own business. 

I guess I just don't understand how a bunch of highly educated people, who are always prattling on about how smart they are, how wonderful they are, how tolerant they are, can act like such a bunch of overwrought preteen drama queens.

 

Because I'm awesome enough to get away with the occasional **** slap?

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 19 2014
21:42 (UTC)
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Original Post by rosencrantz12:

Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by rosencrantz12:

Original Post by cajunrider:
In this forum, let's keep the discussion civil and leave the personal differences as differences and don't escalate them to attacks.

Does this only apply to TV? Is it because she's not American, or that she's white? Female? Outspoken? Smart? Not a lawyer?

Did you happen to see the post that followed this one? Do you care?

You can chastise me directly, rosie.  I deserve it sometimes.

No point with you. Cajun has a conscience. :P

Yes, but I have an ego and hate being wrong, so ... ;P

The Lounge ISIS (or ISIL) Aug 19 2014
21:41 (UTC)
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Apparently they are also holding another journalist, Steven Sotloff, and are threatening to execute him as well.

The Lounge ISIS (or ISIL) Aug 19 2014
21:38 (UTC)
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Jesus.  His poor family.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 19 2014
21:23 (UTC)
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Original Post by rosencrantz12:

Original Post by cajunrider:
In this forum, let's keep the discussion civil and leave the personal differences as differences and don't escalate them to attacks.

Does this only apply to TV? Is it because she's not American, or that she's white? Female? Outspoken? Smart? Not a lawyer?

Did you happen to see the post that followed this one? Do you care?

You can chastise me directly, rosie.  I deserve it sometimes.

The Lounge Governor Rick Perry indicted Aug 19 2014
21:11 (UTC)
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Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

That was all kinds of confusing.

It seems like a good remedy would be to write a law that requires public officials to resign if they are convicted of a [crime] - presumably something more serious than a speeding ticket, but however they want to define it...

It reminds me of a situation in NC when we were dismayed to learn that a convicted felon could legally be elected sheriff.

Wow, that would have been super awkward if he'd gotten elected.

The Lounge Governor Rick Perry indicted Aug 19 2014
20:24 (UTC)
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Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

Is there any precedent for replacing an elected official by withholding funding for their office, and one presumes, their paycheck?

Yes.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 19 2014
20:17 (UTC)
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Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

At any rate - I think police should be trained in a martial art by a master who learned their art in South Korea, Japan, China or another Asian nation with a local ancient tradition.

 

eta:I think this would result in better policing, fewer people killed by police, better outcomes for everyone and fewer overweight cops.

I think we should have high standards for police and we should pay them accordingly.

I can also agree with this on one level.  In many police forces all that's required is high school graduation, ability to pass psych/polygraph/background, and graduate academy.  That seems like a shockingly low level of education for people entrusted with the life and death of the public.

At the same time, you know increasing the standards is just going to skew the force whiter.  What I've often thought is that police should relax some of the requirements.  For example, for most forces you will be disqualified if you've ever used any illegal drug besides marijuana, and marijuana use can only be experimental (meaning generally not more than a few times) and a long time in the past.  That is going to disqualify a really large number of otherwise perfectly good, thoughtful, insightful, connected people just because they did stuff that was cool and normal in the environment they came from.  And doesn't it seem like police are going to be more effective if they have officers who can personally relate to the choices people are making and the way the environment influences the criminal behavior because they've been through it?

The Lounge Governor Rick Perry indicted Aug 19 2014
20:06 (UTC)
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I'm not sure if Texas has recalls, but yes, one of the arguments in favor of the indictment is that elections are the preferred means to get rid of bad elected officials, not vetos.

The Lounge Governor Rick Perry indicted Aug 19 2014
19:52 (UTC)
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Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

I heard about it, but deemed the whole thing pointless.

I don't really know any particulars.

Did Rosemary sign an agreement on her first day on the job stating that she would resign if she ever committed a crime or brought public shame to her office in any way?

Because I did.

That's how you guarantee that you control your workforce.

Did anyone else lose their job because of the lack of funding?

Ah. I can't really pretend to care. I still think the whole thing sounds stupid.

No, because she was elected.  I don't think anybody ended up losing their job.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 19 2014
19:28 (UTC)
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Original Post by catwalker:

Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

Why haven't they released a medical report or a photo of Officer Wilson's injury? The videos from the day of the shooting appear to show him lingering around the scene with no evidence of injury and no urgency about getting medical treatment. If there is evidence of injury - why can't some aspect of it be released?

That's an excellent question. I saw a video of the officer last night. He was pacing back and forth by Brown's body. There were no visible marks on the officer. I know there are more videos of the officer taken from the time of the shooting until he left the scene. I haven't searched through any of them yet.

I don't know if this will eventually be verified by other sources, but at least one source is reporting that Wilson had an orbital fracture and appears to have x-rays confirming it.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 19 2014
19:25 (UTC)
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Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

Original Post by pavlovcat:

That link doesn't provide the most relevant information: What color was the skin of the man shot?

Because apparently that's all we need to know in order to judge whether it was justified.

We know that the newest dead man had a weapon.

We know that he refused to drop his weapon.

 

But I still think it's messed up that, more and more, police don't seem to know any way to deal with criminals besides killing them.

While on the one hand I agree with this (who couldn't agree with wanting a non-lethal method to deal with criminals??), on the other hand I wonder how many people would be willing to approach and try to subdue a guy with a deadly weapon who is committing crimes without a deadly weapon of their own and what method they have in mind to try.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 19 2014
18:54 (UTC)
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Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

Original Post by theviewfromhere:

Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by theviewfromhere:

but you're not supposed to be able to get his side of the story because it's an active investigation. that's the whole point.

Is this you not spouting off about the law?

common knowledge. regardless, if we had an agreement (and i'm fairly certain we did not), you voided it with your little lecture on paranoid schizophrenics.

I'm going to need a legal opinion here but I think this qualifies as an offer. It's been a while since my last law class but I think acting on a verbal offer implies acceptance.

If that's the case I don't think you can unilaterally void the contract.

lys?

edit: fix link

I don't think I ever accepted, since I'm pretty sure I make it consistently clear that I think she has less contact with reality than most of the paranoid schizophrenics I've talked to.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 19 2014
18:12 (UTC)
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Original Post by theviewfromhere:

but you're not supposed to be able to get his side of the story because it's an active investigation. that's the whole point.

Is this you not spouting off about the law?

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 19 2014
18:11 (UTC)
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Original Post by amwick:

Original Post by theviewfromhere:

look, i don't know what happened. i wasn't there. it's just highly improbable that it was necessary to shoot the kid six times. or even once. it's highly improbable simply because it's an extremely rare circumstance that somebody would need to be shot six times. see?

so unless the logic is cop shot a kid six times, therefore cop must have needed to shoot the kid six times, it just doesn't make sense to assume that it was necessary.

the thing cannot be evidence of itself. bottom line: we don't know, and it's highly improbable.

the fact that anybody would think this is normal, would take it at face value, is symptomatic of a sick society.

i don't know if you're stupid, amwick, but i know that the logic that leads to acceptance of "josie's" story is not good logic.

I have taken pistol defense classes it two different states.. I know what is taught to the public.  What happened makes sense to me.. I have to believe that the training given to police is much more intense, more difficult. 

and I have always said that decent and caring people can disagree... but now I don't think that should include everyone..

 

 

There are simple rules for using lethal force.

1.  Aim for center mass.

2.  Shoot until the threat is neutralized.

It is impossible to evaluate whether what the officer did was necessary or not without knowing what happened, and we're a long way from having all the evidence out in the open.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 19 2014
16:43 (UTC)
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Original Post by catwalker:

Original Post by kathygator:

I thought that about probable Ferguson video as well. The department accepted federal money to install (i forget if it is body or dashboard) cameras, but says they haven't done it yet.

I'll bet they do it now.

But, don't body cams have to be able to be turned off, restroom breaks, etc.?

Probably about ten or fifteen years ago, our state patrol lobbied the legislature for money to install dash cams in the fleet.  It was pitched very strongly as a tool for ensuring officer safety, since the traffic stop is one of the most dangerous circumstances for a patrol officer.  It only took a couple of years before the cameras would be turned off when the stop was initiated, and a few more before the cameras didn't go on at all.  The videos were just way, way too useful to defense attorneys.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 19 2014
16:38 (UTC)
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Original Post by kathygator:

I thought that about probable Ferguson video as well. The department accepted federal money to install (i forget if it is body or dashboard) cameras, but says they haven't done it yet.

Video has been a hard sell for LEO's.  They aren't used to being under constant scrutiny and they're already pretty gun shy about the MMQB'ing that happens over controversial, heat of the moment decisions.  I can definitely sympathize with their position that it's awfully hard to judge their decisions if you haven't walked in their shoes, done their job, and dealt with the people they deal with.

The good thing I see is that the younger generation of LEO's seems to be taking the opposite view and really embracing the idea of video.  In the same way that community policing takes police into the neighborhoods to see how people are living and what they are dealing with, making law enforcement more transparent might make it easier for people to see, understand, and appreciate the job they do.

The Lounge Michael Brown death by cop Aug 19 2014
16:12 (UTC)
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Original Post by dnrothx:

Original Post by santonacci:

Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

2009 case involving Ferguson police brutality (and incompetence).

I'm not sure I read this right, but it looks like the court dismissed the civil suit brought against the police.

The Other Michael Brown.

And people wonder why Ferguson was a tinder box.


Have we considered the shooter on the grassy knoll yet?

No, he's just the patsy.

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