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The Lounge Rasslin' in the Lounge Oct 07 2014
00:54 (UTC)
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Did somebody say intellectual swaggering??

:D :D :D

*swaggers in*

The Lounge Rasslin' in the Lounge Oct 06 2014
18:34 (UTC)
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Original Post by dnrothx:

Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by dnrothx:

I don't think I'd ever be for napalming random Ebola guy.

Meh.  That's just a policy argument.  ;P

I'm now envisioning a swarming mob of ebola-infected zombies running around trying to get their bodily fluids on everyone.

Not sure how to convince someone that their perception of reality is incorrect.  The knee-jerk answer is, "With information!"  However, I've found that following that route is really not that effective.  People hang onto misconceptions like people clutch their "last" box of Twinkies. 

You may not be able to convince somebody that their perception of reality is incorrect, but you can learn to live with them civilly.  :)

The Lounge Rasslin' in the Lounge Oct 06 2014
18:17 (UTC)
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Original Post by dnrothx:

Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by dnrothx:

Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by kathygator:

Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by kathygator:

Well and sometimes, you really can't reach across an aisle. Sometimes, there's no place for diplomacy. And yes, this may be a prefect example of the piece, but here goes:

That Todd Kincannon dude (former SC GOP director) let loose with a series of tweets, recently, stating that the only way to deal with Ebola victims in the US was to 'humanely' execute them. He didn't discount the use of napalm in one tweet.

Right out loud. (Well right out in words that are automatically archived at the Library of Congress.)

Where's the need to see that guy's view from any lens other than that he's a sociopathic dick?

The truly disturbing thing, though, is that he has 57k followers. Allowing for a third being spectators who are just keeping an eye on him (because I can't imagine many more than that admitting an association of any kind with him), that still leaves about 38k that are with him.

The guy holds a position of power and influence in his in group.  If you don't want to reach his in group, by all means, write him off as a sociopathic dick.  If you want to reach his in group, then you have to dig a little deeper into what his values are and why they would lead him and his group to accept these kinds of statements.

So...I should seek first to understand his murderous intentions, before I can convince other people not to murder?

Exaaactly!

... and I think you would likely find that at the basic level, his values are not much different from ours.  He wants to live in a place where his kids have opportunities and where threats to their security are minimal/non-existent.  He's just followed those values down a different policy path than you or I would.

Something tells me that how Todd and I value human life within certain sets of circumstances differ greatly. :D

I doubt it, actually.  I think both of you would value some random dude's life less than your own child's, if your child's life was threatened by random dude.  The reason you differ on policy is because you have different perceptions of the threat posed by random Ebola guy.

I don't think I'd ever be for napalming random Ebola guy.

Meh.  That's just a policy argument.  ;P

The Lounge Rasslin' in the Lounge Oct 06 2014
18:07 (UTC)
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Original Post by dnrothx:

Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by kathygator:

Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by kathygator:

Well and sometimes, you really can't reach across an aisle. Sometimes, there's no place for diplomacy. And yes, this may be a prefect example of the piece, but here goes:

That Todd Kincannon dude (former SC GOP director) let loose with a series of tweets, recently, stating that the only way to deal with Ebola victims in the US was to 'humanely' execute them. He didn't discount the use of napalm in one tweet.

Right out loud. (Well right out in words that are automatically archived at the Library of Congress.)

Where's the need to see that guy's view from any lens other than that he's a sociopathic dick?

The truly disturbing thing, though, is that he has 57k followers. Allowing for a third being spectators who are just keeping an eye on him (because I can't imagine many more than that admitting an association of any kind with him), that still leaves about 38k that are with him.

The guy holds a position of power and influence in his in group.  If you don't want to reach his in group, by all means, write him off as a sociopathic dick.  If you want to reach his in group, then you have to dig a little deeper into what his values are and why they would lead him and his group to accept these kinds of statements.

So...I should seek first to understand his murderous intentions, before I can convince other people not to murder?

Exaaactly!

... and I think you would likely find that at the basic level, his values are not much different from ours.  He wants to live in a place where his kids have opportunities and where threats to their security are minimal/non-existent.  He's just followed those values down a different policy path than you or I would.

Something tells me that how Todd and I value human life within certain sets of circumstances differ greatly. :D

I doubt it, actually.  I think both of you would value some random dude's life less than your own child's, if your child's life was threatened by random dude.  The reason you differ on policy is because you have different perceptions of the threat posed by random Ebola guy.

The Lounge Rasslin' in the Lounge Oct 06 2014
18:02 (UTC)
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Original Post by kathygator:

Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by kathygator:

Well and sometimes, you really can't reach across an aisle. Sometimes, there's no place for diplomacy. And yes, this may be a prefect example of the piece, but here goes:

That Todd Kincannon dude (former SC GOP director) let loose with a series of tweets, recently, stating that the only way to deal with Ebola victims in the US was to 'humanely' execute them. He didn't discount the use of napalm in one tweet.

Right out loud. (Well right out in words that are automatically archived at the Library of Congress.)

Where's the need to see that guy's view from any lens other than that he's a sociopathic dick?

The truly disturbing thing, though, is that he has 57k followers. Allowing for a third being spectators who are just keeping an eye on him (because I can't imagine many more than that admitting an association of any kind with him), that still leaves about 38k that are with him.

The guy holds a position of power and influence in his in group.  If you don't want to reach his in group, by all means, write him off as a sociopathic dick.  If you want to reach his in group, then you have to dig a little deeper into what his values are and why they would lead him and his group to accept these kinds of statements.

So...I should seek first to understand his murderous intentions, before I can convince other people not to murder?

Exaaactly!

... and I think you would likely find that at the basic level, his values are not much different from ours.  He wants to live in a place where his kids have opportunities and where threats to their security are minimal/non-existent.  He's just followed those values down a different policy path than you or I would.

The Lounge Rasslin' in the Lounge Oct 06 2014
17:57 (UTC)
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Original Post by kathygator:

Well and sometimes, you really can't reach across an aisle. Sometimes, there's no place for diplomacy. And yes, this may be a prefect example of the piece, but here goes:

That Todd Kincannon dude (former SC GOP director) let loose with a series of tweets, recently, stating that the only way to deal with Ebola victims in the US was to 'humanely' execute them. He didn't discount the use of napalm in one tweet.

Right out loud. (Well right out in words that are automatically archived at the Library of Congress.)

Where's the need to see that guy's view from any lens other than that he's a sociopathic dick?

The truly disturbing thing, though, is that he has 57k followers. Allowing for a third being spectators who are just keeping an eye on him (because I can't imagine many more than that admitting an association of any kind with him), that still leaves about 38k that are with him.

The guy holds a position of power and influence in his in group.  If you don't want to reach his in group, by all means, write him off as a sociopathic dick.  If you want to reach his in group, then you have to dig a little deeper into what his values are and why they would lead him and his group to accept these kinds of statements.

The Lounge Rasslin' in the Lounge Oct 06 2014
17:37 (UTC)
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Original Post by pavlovcat:

Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

The Illusion of Asymmetric Insight

 

I hesitate to claim that I am immune from any of this, but I will say that one of the ways I prevent myself from making a bigger ass of myself than I otherwise might is by understanding that I don't need to have an opinion about everything or everyone. And so I don't. Granted, this could make me seem idiotic instead of just an ass, but you've gotta pick your poison, dontcha?

That was interesting. 

I find I tend to assume the people who know me see WAY more about me that I am entirely comfortable with.  In many ways, they probably know me better than I know myself.

Only when they see the good things.  When they see the bad things, then they're biased.  ;D

The Lounge Rasslin' in the Lounge Oct 06 2014
17:36 (UTC)
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Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

The Illusion of Asymmetric Insight

 

I hesitate to claim that I am immune from any of this, but I will say that one of the ways I prevent myself from making a bigger ass of myself than I otherwise might is by understanding that I don't need to have an opinion about everything or everyone. And so I don't. Granted, this could make me seem idiotic instead of just an ass, but you've gotta pick your poison, dontcha?

Good piece.

I wouldn't say you're immune from it either, but I do think that certain people are more naturally diplomatic than others.  Reaching across the aisle does not come easily to many people, I think.

The Lounge Ebola is in the US Oct 06 2014
14:04 (UTC)
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Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

There are international efforts currently underway.

I'm not sure ignored is the right word. I think "underestimated" might be more appropriate. I think the root of the problem lies in the lack a single accountable authority. I'm not sure who this should be (WHO?) but without some sort of authority to act and given modern day technology and ease of travel the logistics of containment are mind boggling.

I think we should approach it with bureaucratic inertia until the faith-based communities step in to clean up the mess.

The Lounge Ebola is in the US Oct 05 2014
04:14 (UTC)
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Original Post by runoff55:

I find this interesting as there have been announcements in Canada for a while now whenever they have a suspected case. I think we are at out 8th so far. No hysteria.

I guess it's an easy story to report and they don't have to do much to find something to say?? Idk. Let's find a few good in depth news stories to report on rather than a bunch of repetitive speculative journalism.

Like what the hell is going on with North Korea, for example.

The Lounge The after hours, keep language clean, leave JJ alone, talk about anything CHAT.... Oct 04 2014
04:37 (UTC)
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*eyeballs sputum dripping from jfk's hand*

*considers, absentmindedly scratching last month's plaque from teeth*

*shrugs, extends hand*

The Lounge ISIS (or ISIL) Oct 04 2014
00:01 (UTC)
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Now Alan Henning.

Should we even bother hoping for a happy ending for Peter Kassig?

The Lounge Rasslin' in the Lounge Oct 03 2014
21:03 (UTC)
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Some of the takeaways I got from the article were:

  • When you criticize the other tribe, you are likely doing it as a low-information process because you likely don't have much real world experience with the other tribe.
  • What you do know about the other tribe is what your tribe tells you is wrong with the other tribe.
  • This is probably another reason why it is so much easier to criticize the other tribe rather than your own tribe (besides the social reinforcement angle), because it is difficult and maybe impossible to see your own shortcomings from the viewpoint of the other tribe when you have no practice relating to the other tribe.

I don't think he's arguing for objectivity because I think one of his main points is that actual objectivity, meaning actual exposure to and ability to relate to both tribes, is probably extremely rare.  For whatever reason, humans have a tendency to organize tribalistically in ways that are not even conscious or voluntary.

The Lounge The Cult of Neil DeGrasse Tyson Oct 03 2014
20:44 (UTC)
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Ok, over my lunch break I read his eyewitness account of the 9/11 attack for the first time.  He may be kind of a jerk about non-sciencey stuff but it was good to be reminded that he's a human being who feels fear and horror and sadness and worries about his kids.

The Lounge Ebola is in the US Oct 03 2014
19:53 (UTC)
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Original Post by floggingsully:

Original Post by amethystgirl:

Original Post by gotborked:

Original Post by februarystars:

there's an unconfirmed case in DC now. 

why there are reports of it is beyond me. 

mainstream media should be ashamed of themselves.. all this does is cause unnecessary panic. 

How do you know the panic is unnecessary if the case is unconfirmed? ;D

Panic isn't necessary even if it is confirmed.

I know it isn't necessary, but I'm going to do it anyway, just in case.

Better safe than sorry.

The Lounge anti-abortion position says execute women who abort Oct 03 2014
19:02 (UTC)
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Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

I agree with the Week writer that this is the logical conclusion of believing that abortion is murder.

I do too, and that rationale is the main reason why adopting the abortion = murder logic would be horrible policy.

The Lounge Rasslin' in the Lounge Oct 03 2014
15:36 (UTC)
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Original Post by catwalker:

Original Post by pavlovcat:

Original Post by kathygator:

I do feel somewhat uncomfortable, though, with the knowledge that there isn't a Red Team guy posting the same kind of self-evaluation. Or if there is, I have no idea where it could be found. Beck took a beating for wanting to feed immigrant kids.

That's a pothole for the Blue team a month away from the midterms. The inevitable and predictable self-doubt against a GOP that will never hesitate to capitalize on it.

 

I've seen plenty of Christians taking other Christians to task for un-Christian behavior.  But, to be honest, those are always Red Christians taking Blue Christians to task for the most part.  

Interesting point, but wouldn't you say that it's mostly Blue Christians taking Westboro Baptists to task. I don't recall seeing Red Christians doing that much. At least media wise I mean.

You probably aren't reading Red Christian media sources.

The Lounge Rasslin' in the Lounge Oct 03 2014
15:31 (UTC)
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Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

Original Post by kathygator:

I do feel somewhat uncomfortable, though, with the knowledge that there isn't a Red Team guy posting the same kind of self-evaluation. Or if there is, I have no idea where it could be found. Beck took a beating for wanting to feed immigrant kids.

That's a pothole for the Blue team a month away from the midterms. The inevitable and predictable self-doubt against a GOP that will never hesitate to capitalize on it.

I don't know if I got a lot out of that article.

For one thing, I don't feel like I belong in any tribe. I have some of the traits of the blue tribe (mostly the highly educated bit) but essentially I live my life very much in a conservative way. But, I don't believe in forcing my way on every one else AND I very strongly oppose the wanton use of military force in foreign lands, so I clearly can not choose the red tribe in front of me.

I interact with both red and blue tribe members on a daily basis. I would say the people at my church are probably not creationists. But some of the people I work with probably are. So I don't know... A lot of his generalized claims just struck me as unverified and highly questionable.

Oh, and there isn't a blue team guy posting this either. He's a grey team guy. It would take a grey team guy to post something like this about the red tribe as well.

I would posit that both of us are Blues that have migrated over to Gray.

The Lounge Rasslin' in the Lounge Oct 03 2014
15:29 (UTC)
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Original Post by rosencrantz12:

Original Post by purespark:

Thanks for that. I felt some discomfort while reading it, which is probably a good thing.

Me too. And I tried justifying my thoughts, and that didn't work either. 

I found myself reading through wondering who IS this guy? and by the end that seemed to really make his point as much as anything he said.

The Lounge The Cult of Neil DeGrasse Tyson Oct 03 2014
14:32 (UTC)
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Original Post by watergirl:

Well I think most people can be jerks so no foul there. Bill Nye is just 'adorkable' (pretty sure that word comes from pav's urban dictionary ha) and I totally get his passion, I feel the same about (hydro)geology!! 

As a scientist, I am okay with 'Joe Science' figureheads, they make science palatable for the masses, and that's a good thing. Not all of us want to go give presentations to 5th grade science classes about rocks and water. If some of us have a gift for teaching the adults, so be it. People could certainly use more science literacy.

Honestly, I have no opinion about Tyson. Haven't watched his version of Cosmos, but I might. As long as the SCIENCE is sound, I'm not going to sweat the peripheral squish. But if I hear one more person say UNDERGROUND RIVER? I am going to set my head on fire. GAH!

LOL.  I feel the same way when people talk about "squashing" a warrant.

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