Posts by mrsjtmedley69

Original Post by fasternotfatter:

Original Post by mrsjtmedley69:

Original Post by caloricat:

Original Post by mrsjtmedley69:

I believe the Bush administration set up the 9/11 attacks as a ploy to pacify the US citizens into going along with going to the war because everyone was so upset and afraid. There are countless FACTS pointing to the inaccuracy of the reports the general population was given.

I feel that the war was 100% about stealing resources from the middle east and settling a personal vengence between the Bush and Hussein Empires.

Oh my.

Okay KG...looks like your new friend is painting you into that camp...care to respond?  Do you agree with this....ummm, "person", that 9/11 was simply a Republican attack on 3000 of it's own citizens to win an election?

cuckoo...cuckoo....

I don't like George Bush...worst President we've had in awhile, maybe ever.  And Rove and Cheney were even worse.  Cheney definitely was a war profiteer more so than anyone in history.  But to make the claims of absolute treason and murder for political advance...Gearge Bush ain't that smart...not even close.

The level of sophistication necessary to pull of an internal attack like that, publically, then create such a sophisticated cover story...and somehow convince Al-Queda to take credit for it...AND to keep ANYONE from coming forward who took part in the conspiracy?  You've moved past "terrorist sympathizer" to simply a person who hates Americans.

First of all you obviously misunderstood what I was saying entirely.  I do not believe the war was set up to win an election that was taken care of in Florida!  I believe the war was set up to make Billions upon Billions of dollars through many avenues as well as manipulate the American people.

The Bush-Bin Laden Family Connections:  Doesn’t anyone find it odd that the Bush and Bin Laden family have essentially been business partners forever?

Oil. 

Poppy- since the USA has been in the Middle East Poppy fields production has increased.  Why?  Are we not a country that has been for a very long time in a “War with drugs” than why have these fields not decreased rather than increased? 

Taking away our constitutional rights:  Via the Patriot Act and other bills that were passed virtually without approval from Congress or the American People.

In reference to the last paragraph in the comment above, IMO the 9/11 attacks were a very sophisticated attack set up between the Bush and Bin Laden family.  Bin Laden took credit because that was part of the plan.  How else would the American people be convinced we needed to invade the Middle East.  And as far as your question about how they would get everyone to stay quite…that is simple….FEAR!  Both of these families involved are some of the most powerful and wealthy families in the world.  Not to mention the Patriot Act took care of that because anyone labeled a “Terrorist” can now be whisked away to an undisclosed place for an undisclosed amount of time and tortured or killed with no right to a trial or anything.  If you knew that the attacks were set up would you come forward knowing the FBI is liable to show up at your door step and make you disappear?

With that said, some brave people have come forward.  Many people actually including civilians, reporters, scientists, soldiers, policemen, fire fighters etc…

I find it laughable that I am now a “terrorist sympathizer” and “hate Americans” simply because I do not buy into the BS the American people were feed regarding the invasion of the Middle East.  By saying these things you are proving my point entirely…9/11 was set up to manipulate the people into believing lies…

I love my country and the people in it.  However, I feel that our political system and strategies are unbelievably flawed and I feel that the American people were deceived, manipulated and taken advantage of by the Bush Administration.  IMO the Bush family are war profiteers and should be brought up with charges of war crimes and treason.  But don’t worry here in the USA that will never happen.

Do you realize that by calling me a terrorist and accusing me of hating Americans you are saying that it would be justified for me to be tortured and killed simply because I do not have the same views as you?  This is exactly how the Bush Empire wanted the American citizens to feel, but it is ridiculous.

Here are a few links to check out, not that I think they will in any way change your opinions.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/050711.htm l

http://www.american-reporter.com/4,346/51.html

http://www.chiphazard.com/2011/05/07/osama-bi n-ladens-family-owns-part-of-microsoft-and-bo eing-among-other-companies/

http://www.rense.com/general14/bushsformer.ht m

http://lundissimo.info/wtc/bushbinladen.html

http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Newslet ter/Bush_Carlyle_Group.htm

http://www.thedubyareport.com/bushbin.html

 

so do you think that since you found a couple sites to prove your rediculous theories that you are right? There are hundreds of sites out there for consiracy theorists like you that will "prove" that you are right.

The fact of the matter is to suggest that someone in the American Government would set up an attack on a country for profit is rediculous. Why would a president set up an attack on the US then send the Marines, Sailors, Soldiers, and Airmen of the world out to die? The simple answer is that they would never do that!

We would go to a war for years so that our children never have to experience war in their backyeards. That is the real reason we as Military Members go to war.

The sites were just references as to some of what I base my opinions on. I am not saying I am right with certainity.  I do not believe anyone will ever know the complete truth, these are just my opinions based on the research I have done.  I do not claim to know everything or even have the intellegence to be able to completely understand all of the elements that have contributed to our presence in the Middle East in the past or today.  However, I feel in my heart that the reasons we were given by our leaders were lies.

 I believe the president sent our military out because he really didn't care about our soldiers being put in harms way.  It was not his children.  I would like to think that our government is not capable of such things but I simply do not believe that.  If the former president/our governmental leaders truley cared about our soldiers there would not be thousands of them struggling to get the help they need upon returning home.  Our government contains many flaws and often our policies do not coincide with what is best for the American people. 

I also am not discrediting the work of our military.  I believe that most people in our military mean well.  They sacrifice so much on our behalf and our country could not survive without them. Many of my family memebers are in the military, and I take pride in that.  HOWEVER, I feel that if the truth about why this war is going on was known many of our military members would not want anything to do with it.

Original Post by caloricat:

Original Post by mrsjtmedley69:

I believe the Bush administration set up the 9/11 attacks as a ploy to pacify the US citizens into going along with going to the war because everyone was so upset and afraid. There are countless FACTS pointing to the inaccuracy of the reports the general population was given.

I feel that the war was 100% about stealing resources from the middle east and settling a personal vengence between the Bush and Hussein Empires.

Oh my.

Okay KG...looks like your new friend is painting you into that camp...care to respond?  Do you agree with this....ummm, "person", that 9/11 was simply a Republican attack on 3000 of it's own citizens to win an election?

cuckoo...cuckoo....

I don't like George Bush...worst President we've had in awhile, maybe ever.  And Rove and Cheney were even worse.  Cheney definitely was a war profiteer more so than anyone in history.  But to make the claims of absolute treason and murder for political advance...Gearge Bush ain't that smart...not even close.

The level of sophistication necessary to pull of an internal attack like that, publically, then create such a sophisticated cover story...and somehow convince Al-Queda to take credit for it...AND to keep ANYONE from coming forward who took part in the conspiracy?  You've moved past "terrorist sympathizer" to simply a person who hates Americans.

First of all you obviously misunderstood what I was saying entirely.  I do not believe the war was set up to win an election that was taken care of in Florida!  I believe the war was set up to make Billions upon Billions of dollars through many avenues as well as manipulate the American people.

The Bush-Bin Laden Family Connections:  Doesn’t anyone find it odd that the Bush and Bin Laden family have essentially been business partners forever?

Oil. 

Poppy- since the USA has been in the Middle East Poppy fields production has increased.  Why?  Are we not a country that has been for a very long time in a “War with drugs” than why have these fields not decreased rather than increased? 

Taking away our constitutional rights:  Via the Patriot Act and other bills that were passed virtually without approval from Congress or the American People.

In reference to the last paragraph in the comment above, IMO the 9/11 attacks were a very sophisticated attack set up between the Bush and Bin Laden family.  Bin Laden took credit because that was part of the plan.  How else would the American people be convinced we needed to invade the Middle East.  And as far as your question about how they would get everyone to stay quite…that is simple….FEAR!  Both of these families involved are some of the most powerful and wealthy families in the world.  Not to mention the Patriot Act took care of that because anyone labeled a “Terrorist” can now be whisked away to an undisclosed place for an undisclosed amount of time and tortured or killed with no right to a trial or anything.  If you knew that the attacks were set up would you come forward knowing the FBI is liable to show up at your door step and make you disappear?

With that said, some brave people have come forward.  Many people actually including civilians, reporters, scientists, soldiers, policemen, fire fighters etc…

I find it laughable that I am now a “terrorist sympathizer” and “hate Americans” simply because I do not buy into the BS the American people were feed regarding the invasion of the Middle East.  By saying these things you are proving my point entirely…9/11 was set up to manipulate the people into believing lies…

I love my country and the people in it.  However, I feel that our political system and strategies are unbelievably flawed and I feel that the American people were deceived, manipulated and taken advantage of by the Bush Administration.  IMO the Bush family are war profiteers and should be brought up with charges of war crimes and treason.  But don’t worry here in the USA that will never happen.

Do you realize that by calling me a terrorist and accusing me of hating Americans you are saying that it would be justified for me to be tortured and killed simply because I do not have the same views as you?  This is exactly how the Bush Empire wanted the American citizens to feel, but it is ridiculous.

Here are a few links to check out, not that I think they will in any way change your opinions.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/050711.htm l

http://www.american-reporter.com/4,346/51.html

http://www.chiphazard.com/2011/05/07/osama-bi n-ladens-family-owns-part-of-microsoft-and-bo eing-among-other-companies/

http://www.rense.com/general14/bushsformer.ht m

http://lundissimo.info/wtc/bushbinladen.html

http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Newslet ter/Bush_Carlyle_Group.htm

http://www.thedubyareport.com/bushbin.html

Original Post by nebichan:

Unfortunately, that's how it all works. Truths about operations and wars are not revealed to anyone, remaining on a "need to know" basis. Just look at the uproar about Wikileaks. The media is told a story that "could perhaps" be true, and then everyone is convinced that the media-story is true.

Exactly.  We hear what is said on the news and then interpret it as the absolute truth without stopping to really consider the "facts"...

Original Post by kathygator:

And with regard to the opinion that we invaded Iraq to fight terrorism:

If the goal was to fight terrorism, we had a perfect model in the Israelis, who have been fighting it for decades via covert ops. At, I would add, our behest, because we didn't want to upset the delicately balanced apple cart. As I said, we had only to stay the course in A-stan in 2001 to see Al Qaida ended.

No. The invasion of Iraq was a carefully executed ATM install. Cheney wanted to create a cash cow, and Bush was enough of a patsy to believe there was a higher purpose.

Iraq was chosen, by process of elimination, as the best place to expand our presence in the region and Hussein was being just enough of a douche to make the invasion sellable to the American people. The multiple and varying reasons for invasion offered by the Bush administration over the years, are proof enough of that.

The result: 130,000 or so, dead or injured; the creation of an American mercenary force beyond our imagining (between Iraq and A-stan we've got roughly 100,000 private contractors in country), the needless sacrifice of the safety of a couple hundred thousand troops, and a price tag approaching the trillion dollar mark.

And we are so deep into the suck, it'll take (easily) another 2 years to get out of it.

 

Agreed!  Although I believe Bush was just as much involved.  The war was an opprotunity for him to make billions of dollars, and continue the objectives his father had many years before him.  I do not for one second believe that we went to war to end terrorism.  The things that were going on in the Middle East had been going on for many many years and we never seemed to care before. 

I believe the Bush administration set up the 9/11 attacks as a ploy to pacify the US citizens into going along with going to the war because everyone was so upset and afraid. There are countless FACTS pointing to the inaccuracy of the reports the general population was given.

I feel that the war was 100% about stealing resources from the middle east and settling a personal vengence between the Bush and Hussein Empires.

Original Post by alaskanmama:

Original Post by mrsjtmedley69:

Original Post by alaskanmama:

Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

pumpkins,

do you consider your views to be prejudiced rather than racist?

just curious.

I grew up in the south and when I was younger, it was definitely taboo to date outside your race.   But today, in NC at least, you have to go to a *very* small town to find that attitude in any sort of significant numbers.

Except for in the mountains, it might still be more prevalent there.

 

Speaking as someone from the mountains of NC...

I do not hold any prejudice or racist thoughts on the subject of interracial relationships whatsoever. I've been involved in interracial relationships in my past, and still love to see "tall, dark and handsome"! (Although, my husband is as white as they come!)

There will always be racism and prejudice. At least pumpkins can recognize it in herself and admit that it might not be the "right" way to feel, but it is what she feels. Those who cannot recognize the problem are the ones with the biggest problem!

At least in my town, which is a college town, admittedly, I don't see the general population as having any problems or concerns with interracial relationships. Now, in my "hometown", which is in the next county over, the biggest concern to those with racist tendencies is the white/Hispanic combination.

Unfortunately, many in my area will do as the church members in the OP did and point to "religious" reasons against interracial relationships. I don't think God condones those attitudes. Those are completely man made!

U most go to App!  I did!  I am married to a black man and when we lived in Boone, we had major issues with people simply because we were together.  However, being one half of an interacial relationship I am used to the dirty looks, racist comments, and uncomfortable moments.  Racism is something that is far from gone and sadly I believe it is something that will never completely disappear.  However, I am a strong believer in doing what makes you happy...who cares what someone else thinks.  It is simply their ignorance driving their hate.

One thing that does bother me though is the way "Christians" in the South act.  There are many many churches where we live that my husband and I would never be welcome in, and those included both primarily black and primarily white churches...I find it hypocritical to claim to be a christian and act completely contarary to how the Bible says you should act/treat others.  No one is the perfect christian and we all fall short and make mistakes sometimes, however if you are running/are part of a church that claims to be serving the Lord and aiming to bring others to Christ but then turns away anyone who is different from you in my opinion you are not truly acting as Jesus would like you to.

What would Jesus Do?

Situations such as this are what often brings people to say Christians are hypocritical and fake, and therefore want nothing to do with the religion themselves.

Also another thing that bothers me about the whole racism thing is when someone is perfectly ok with all interacial relationships except black and white.  What the hell is up with that?  Its the same exact principle right?  Again, it all comes back to ignorance....to believe that someone with a different complection than you is some how inferior to you is racist and ignorant...

The end!  Sorry for the rant.  This is just a topic I take very seriously and personally.

How on earth did you figure out Boone/App from my post?! You must be a genius mind reader! lol

My best friend is biracial and married a black man. Her children are very light skinned. Her daughter was a cheerleader when she was in high school and one of her teammates went on a rant about how interracial dating/marriage was against the Bible, etc. My best friend's daughter came home upset, saying "Well, then what does she think of me?"

(((mrsmedley)))

I hope you're living in a place now that's more accepting of you and your husband!

lol, we'll I just kinda put two and two together cause you said you were in the mountains of nc in a college town and App is really the only one besides Western but they don't count lol

I am still not living in a more accepting place but thats ok, I have been with my husband for about 6 years so I rarely notice the hatred anymore....

Have u all gotten a lot of snow already?  I'm sure you have....

Original Post by nicepumpkins:

Original Post by amethystgirl:

Original Post by roxysparkles:

Original Post by amethystgirl:

NP @106, Roxy's question and Sayit's answer weren't necessarily describing you. You haven't expressed a desire to prevent others from doing it.

But the church (the one mentioned in the OP, remember?) ... that's exactly what they've done.

I was actually questioning whether or not how I feel is/was racist and/or prejudice. Nothing to do with NP.

I guessed that, but I didn't want to assume.

When it comes to attraction, we all have preferences. Preferring a tall guy doesn't mean that you hate short people.

I've never been attracted to a black guy.  Not once.

I don't actually see them as sexual beings.  That's probably really going to tick someone off.  But I look at them as just people.  Just like I look at the elderly.  There is no notion or consideration or possibility of us being sexually compatible.  It's like, totally neutral.

I don't know if it's because of my background or if that's just me.  Shrug.  It is, as always, what it is.

Thats a shame because most black men are very sexual beings lol

Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

pumpkins,

do you consider your views to be prejudiced rather than racist?

just curious.

I grew up in the south and when I was younger, it was definitely taboo to date outside your race.   But today, in NC at least, you have to go to a *very* small town to find that attitude in any sort of significant numbers.

Except for in the mountains, it might still be more prevalent there.

 

I live in NC too and I can tell you it is still very taboo to date outside your race and racism is still as prevalent as always from the coast to the mountains.

Thanks so much for the motivation and Congrats!  You are in a very similar situation as me.  I started out at 198 and am now 175.  I also quit smoking about 2-3 months ago after smoking for 10 years, and I am only 23 too.  I also am 5'7'' and my goal is the same as yours!  I lost the weight so far just from changing my diet and counting calories, however I have been stuck between 174-176 for quite some time now and really need to get into the routine of regular exercise.  This is the most difficult part for me, but I know my weight loss will likely not continue if I don't start exercising.  Anyway, your story is my inspiration for today...Good Luck and thanks!

Original Post by hatamoto:

According to posts here, I suspect medley and A.N.D. would be perfectly fine with crucifying 19 year olds for getting busy with their 17 year old girlfriends.

After all, if you're so irredeemably perverse as that, might as well get some use from your hide.

 No I wouldnt maybe you should read the entire thread before you make assumptions.

Original Post by syc212:

Original Post by anewdawn:

Original Post by syc212:

Original Post by mrsjtmedley69:

Original Post by anewdawn:

I also believe it's not possible for most rapists and all child molesters to pay their debt to society.  I would rather they give white collar criminals and those who are no danger go the public house arrest and keep truly dangerous people locked up indefinitely or until there is a sure fire to guarantee they won't re-offend.   

 I agree whole heartdly with your last paragraph...My point exactly

I think they fact that you were able to find their names and addresses online speaks to the fact that they are being held accountable for their actions, even upon release from jail. 

 How so?

They have no privacy. People can't look up a database of upstanding citizens and find out their names and addresses and their physical descriptions.

I'm not saying definitively registration is enough to remedy the harm caused by their actions, but there really is no way to make molesters, rapists, etc. pay enough for the harm they caused. Practically, we can't keep them in jail forever. But we are limiting their freedom. It isn't a perfect system, but there is no such thing as a perfect system.

I'm not saying this is too much or not enough, I'm just saying sex offenders have less rights than other citizens. 

 Yes they do have less rights but not a whole lot.  Google your name or a family members name that has no kind of criminal record what so ever and see what comes up.  With a little digging you can find out anything you want about pretty much everyone.  Also, if you have any sort of criminal record whatsoever people can look that up just as they can sex offenders.  Plus how can we not "practically" keep them locked up forever.  Don't pay your taxes for a few years while making a substantial amount of money and see if you dont get threatened with life in prison.  Or grow some weed in a state where thats not legal.  In my state "indecent liberaties with a minor" is punishable by a MAXIMUM of 10 years.