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Calorie Count Calorie camp under age under eaters Nov 18 2012
04:59 (UTC)
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Thank you that was a very helpful and informative reply. You are one of my favorites on here. I understand about it being cost prohibitive. I know sometimes you have to let someone fall so they can learn to get up, sure wish I could save her the pain. She likes having me help but she is too far in denial to change. So I'll leave her on my support feed but just not pay attention or respond. Again thank you for that response. Your website and you are awesome. 

Calorie Count Calorie camp under age under eaters Nov 18 2012
01:16 (UTC)
4

That implies that they aren't deep in denial. I have one that I chat with that is a teen and is right now eating less than a 1000 every day and it used to just be that way on weekends. She was at least getting 1500 on weekdays not so long ago even though that is not even close to enough as she is quite active and quite a bit taller than 5'. She's basically going deep into her ED and her mom is either disordered herself or clueless and her doctor is a moron who decided she can't have an ED because she "looks normal". Sigh. I've stepped back from helping her simply because she's not going to listen or change until her butt ends up in a hospital.

It seems to me that the calorie camp should be somewhat monitored and people who are going against site policy should be warned and then not allowed to share their day or something. 

New Members Can anyone give me tips to stop snacking at night? Oct 27 2012
04:23 (UTC)
1

As you stated you don't eat too much during the day that is why you are hungry at night. You really need more during the day as that is when you are most active. Trouble is that is still not enough as teenagers burn upwards of 2000 easily and athletic teenagers upwards of 3000 especially when training. You are also already at a healthy weight and are your goal is underweight. If you are hungry at the end of the day your body is trying to tell you something. 

Also it is a really dangerous/risky thing to try and loose weight (especially from an already healthy weight to a dangerously low weight) with a history of ED. Its a very slippery slope.

Health & Support enough? Oct 27 2012
04:17 (UTC)
1

I sincerely doubt you weigh enough, though the ED may think otherwise, if you were down to 65 pounds in April and still struggling to eat enough in August. Your period returning/normalizing is one way to gauge how well your body is functioning, if you are female that is. If you are younger than 21 your body is likely still going through many changes, and though you may not get taller all your organs are still growing/maturing. It is natural to gain a little when you go through puberty/get older. 

Weight Loss downward spiral? Oct 27 2012
04:09 (UTC)
1

Um I really hope you mean to say you eat 500 calories more a day...

New Members Can anyone give me tips to stop snacking at night? Oct 26 2012
21:00 (UTC)
3

Um she is a teenager and needs to eat more. There is nothing wrong with snacks. She is already at a healthy weight and wants to be underweight and has a history of eating disorders.

Maintaining Is this healthy? Oct 26 2012
20:54 (UTC)
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Good to see you too mrswilsoncat, I like the new name. Wink

Maintaining Is this healthy? Oct 26 2012
13:23 (UTC)
3

You are sixteen witch means that the CC calorie calculator is not for you, it is designed for 21 and over. At 16 you need to eat more food especially if you are exercising. Teenagers burn more calories because they are growing and changing, you may not get taller but all your organs continue to change/grow until at least age 21. You are at a healthy weight already so I'd focus more on muscle tone than weight loss.

Calorie Count Where's the database? Oct 26 2012
13:17 (UTC)
3

I see the items come up for the database but as of this morning I get an error message when I click on any items. I seem to only be able to use my custom items. If you search via the food/meal tabs your own custom foods come up and you have to re-enter what you were searching for, this doesn't happen if you put in in the top search bar. Thanks!

New Members Can anyone give me tips to stop snacking at night? Oct 26 2012
13:07 (UTC)
5

If you are not eating enough during the day or enough period then its no wonder you get so hungry at night. Re-evaluate your intake and make sure you are eating enough during the day and allow yourself a healthy evening snack as well. You have also admitted a history of Anorexia and are currently trying to get to an unhealthy low weight "for my sport". I think you know you are not eating enough and by trying to lose to an unhealthy weight are starting the spiral back into an ED. How is being underweight going to help with your sport? When your body has eaten your muscle and made your bones weak you are more likely to break a leg or do other extreme damage and end your sports career altogether. If you pass out while playing from malnutrition/under eating you'll injure yourself and possibly others. I think you need sit down and be brutally honest with yourself regarding weight loss/ED and what you are really doing. 

Young Calorie Counters I'm counting calories again. Apr 03 2012
06:30 (UTC)
2

I totally hear you on the skin picking, that is the bad habit I hate the worst in myself. I am working on beating that habit out of myself. The trouble is that you still have the ED mindset. Eating a normal amount and maintaining a healthy body weight while claiming to over eat and need to lose weight is very much an ED mindset. You may not be currently starving yourself or underweight but that doesn't mean you are recovered. Recovery is twofold mental and physical. You don't need to lose any weight and the fact that you want to lose isn't healthy for your body or your mind. Speaking to a therapist/psych about the obsessiveness is the best thing you can do for yourself. Make sure whoever you go to is experienced in EDs. A psych can give you some meds that will help with the obsessiveness and a therapist and/or the psych can help you deal with the underlying issues. You deserve a happy healthy life.

Young Calorie Counters Working out and parents Apr 03 2012
06:24 (UTC)
2

Yeah CC's calculators are for 21 and over unfortunately. BMR is the basically what your body needs in a coma/bedridden. I'm glad you are doing so well and recognized what you were doing wasn't healthy. Overall your attitude toward health/weight is great and you are headed in the right direction. I am glad you were open to what I said and didn't take offense, as it truly came from a good place. Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions or just want to chat etc. On one of my journal entries there is a long winded and rough explanation of what the body needs/healthy diet etc.

Young Calorie Counters binge )))): what to do.. Apr 03 2012
06:20 (UTC)
1

Hey bu11wink1e (love the name by the way)

I figured as much. Yes I do have that info in a journal entry titled things I need to repeat to myself often. Feel free to link to it. Igot tired of writing all that out so I put it in a journal entry lol. I'm glad you are out there in the forums helping people out. Take care!

Young Calorie Counters binge )))): what to do.. Apr 02 2012
20:23 (UTC)
3

bu11winkle she is posting in the young calorie counters section indicating she is likely a teenager. 1200 is bare minimum for a sedentary, short (under 5') older female. She is none of those things. She needs no less than 1500 calories a day.

1. a. and b. BMR versus daily burn (because people always mix that up).

1a. BMR is your basal metabolic rate or what your body needs to maintain your basic life sustaining functions (i.e. breathing, heart beat etc.) if you are bedridden/in a coma. I think we can safely assume you are not bedridden or in a coma. You never eat below your BMR because that is the bare bones minimum to keep you ALIVE.

1b. Daily Burn is how many calories you burn a day with all your activities factored in. You can calculate this without your exercise and then add it in when you decide to do exercise or if you exercise regularly you can factor it in from the get go. A good calculator to get a good idea of your daily burn/calorie needs is this one http://www.health-calc.com/diet/energy-expend iture-advanced. This one is ok for teenagers to use because it calculates based on all your info age, gender, weight, height and activities.

2a. 1500 (girls)/1800(boys) calories is the bare minimum for short (less than 5') sedentary teenagers to lose weight.

2b. 1200 is the bare minimum for short (less than 5’) sedentary, older women to lose weight. (1500 for men). 

2c. CC's calculators are for 21 and over. Teenagers have very different needs because their bodies go through vital growth up until at least age 21. They might not get taller but the brain and other organs, bones, and muscles all have a lot to go through. Because of that and the fact that they are young with higher metabolisms they need more calories.

3. You cannot lose weight and gain muscle at the same time. You can gain muscle and lose fat or lose weight and maintain muscle. To gain muscle you must eat at a surplus ergo the term "gaining" muscle. Exercise should be something you enjoy. If you do sports/take PE at school you get exercise that way. 30 minutes to an hour a day is more than enough and you can always take rest days as well. Lifting weights is good for your bones and gets the "toned" look everyone is always after.

6. Under eating will slow/damage your metabolism etc. When there is a drought you limit your water use to keep the reserves full so that you can last through the drought. Your body does the same thing so instead of releasing reserves it holds on to everything it has. Under eating/malnourishment forces it to draw nutrients/fuel from bones and muscle resulting in high risk of osteoporosis and other worse damages to your body. Even if you are eating foods with a lot of nutrients your body can't use those nutrients effectively without enough fuel.

7. Carbohydrates, Protein, and Fat are all vital nutrients for your body. 

Carbs:Your brain does not burn protein or fat in burns glycogen ie sugar ie carbs. If you aren't feeding your body carbs it has to take them from your glycogen stores and those are located in your muscles. This is a good time to note your heart is a muscle. Complex carbs are also important because you need to pair them with protein to get a complete protein. Brown rice, whole grains.

Protein: Feeds muscles, helps you feel satisfied/full, gives energy. Lean meats, lentils, beans.

Fats: Fats don't make you fat. Fats are essential for healthy hair, skin, nails, digestion (lubes up the works), and for menses if you are a girl. In other words if you want to maybe be a mom someday you need to take care of yourself now. Fat also keeps your organs insulated so they stay warm and safe from damage. Fat gives you energy and helps you feel satisfied/full. Healthy fats include avocados, olive oil, nuts, nut butters and so many more.

8. Myth: Eating after a certain time will cause weight gain: This is not true eating after a certain time WILL NOT cause weight gain. Actually some people find a night snack, like an apple and some milk, helps them sleep through the night better and not wake up hungry because it stabilizes blood sugar overnight. I'm not saying you have to eat it right before bed or anything but if you wanted a little something in the evening after dinner that is ok.

9. Healthy weight: The goal should never be to lose as much as possible, as fast as possible by eating as little as possible. It is not sustainable and you will yo yo back to where you started and it is in no way the healthy way to go.

There is no good reason that anyone needs to be at the very bottom of the healthy weight range unless it is just where they naturally are. By naturally I mean eating maintenance calories or more w/o excessive exercise and not gaining or losing, basically the set point for your body. Not very many people fall into that category. In fact many people can be the same age and height but be two different body types so that one end of the scale is healthy for one but not the other. Everyone is unique. The best thing you can do is get your doctors opinion in this matter. Plus it never hurts to get your health checked.

The aim should be to have a healthy strong body that will carry you for a lifetime. You don't necessarily have to count calories you just need a healthy meal plan. Carb, protein, fat at breakfast, lunch, dinner, and two snacks. Breakfast can be oatmeal with milk, nuts, and fruit. Lunch peanut butter or meat sandwich with fruit and/or veg. Dinner meat/protein fruit/veg rice/quinoa/pasta/bread with olive oil on the veggies or some dressing on a salad with some avocado. Snacks can be yogurt, granola bar/snack bar, handful of nuts and fruit/veg.

I know I practically wrote a book but I hope you find some piece of it helpful. Good luck and please be healthy and nourish your body because you deserve to be nourished and loved in all ways. All the best.

Young Calorie Counters confused Apr 02 2012
20:17 (UTC)
1

I have to disagree with dannyboy18. Don't eat at your BMR and then exercise for a deficit. BMR is your basal metabolic rate, or what your body needs to keep your basic life sustaining functions going if you are bedridden/in a coma. since you are not bedridden in a coma you need to eat more than that. If you are under 21 the bare minimum you should eat is 1500. If you were to burn say 1800 w/o exercise then to get a deficit for weight loss you would need to eat less than that. If you are under 21 then the safest deficit is 250-500 calories and no more than a pound a week. Focus on nourishing your body and being healthy and active and the rest will follow.

1. a. and b. BMR versus daily burn (because people always mix that up).

1a. BMR is your basal metabolic rate or what your body needs to maintain your basic life sustaining functions (i.e. breathing, heart beat etc.) if you are bedridden/in a coma. I think we can safely assume you are not bedridden or in a coma. You never eat below your BMR because that is the bare bones minimum to keep you ALIVE.

1b. Daily Burn is how many calories you burn a day with all your activities factored in. You can calculate this without your exercise and then add it in when you decide to do exercise or if you exercise regularly you can factor it in from the get go. A good calculator to get a good idea of your daily burn/calorie needs is this one http://www.health-calc.com/diet/energy-expend iture-advanced. This one is ok for teenagers to use because it calculates based on all your info age, gender, weight, height and activities.

2a. 1500 (girls)/1800(boys) calories is the bare minimum for short (less than 5') sedentary teenagers to lose weight.

2b. 1200 is the bare minimum for short (less than 5’) sedentary, older women to lose weight. (1500 for men). 

2c. CC's calculators are for 21 and over. Teenagers have very different needs because their bodies go through vital growth up until at least age 21. They might not get taller but the brain and other organs, bones, and muscles all have a lot to go through. Because of that and the fact that they are young with higher metabolisms they need more calories.

3. You cannot lose weight and gain muscle at the same time. You can gain muscle and lose fat or lose weight and maintain muscle. To gain muscle you must eat at a surplus ergo the term "gaining" muscle. Exercise should be something you enjoy. If you do sports/take PE at school you get exercise that way. 30 minutes to an hour a day is more than enough and you can always take rest days as well. Lifting weights is good for your bones and gets the "toned" look everyone is always after.

6. Under eating will slow/damage your metabolism etc. When there is a drought you limit your water use to keep the reserves full so that you can last through the drought. Your body does the same thing so instead of releasing reserves it holds on to everything it has. Under eating/malnourishment forces it to draw nutrients/fuel from bones and muscle resulting in high risk of osteoporosis and other worse damages to your body. Even if you are eating foods with a lot of nutrients your body can't use those nutrients effectively without enough fuel.

7. Carbohydrates, Protein, and Fat are all vital nutrients for your body. 

Carbs:Your brain does not burn protein or fat in burns glycogen ie sugar ie carbs. If you aren't feeding your body carbs it has to take them from your glycogen stores and those are located in your muscles. This is a good time to note your heart is a muscle. Complex carbs are also important because you need to pair them with protein to get a complete protein. Brown rice, whole grains.

Protein: Feeds muscles, helps you feel satisfied/full, gives energy. Lean meats, lentils, beans.

Fats: Fats don't make you fat. Fats are essential for healthy hair, skin, nails, digestion (lubes up the works), and for menses if you are a girl. In other words if you want to maybe be a mom someday you need to take care of yourself now. Fat also keeps your organs insulated so they stay warm and safe from damage. Fat gives you energy and helps you feel satisfied/full. Healthy fats include avocados, olive oil, nuts, nut butters and so many more.

8. Myth: Eating after a certain time will cause weight gain: This is not true eating after a certain time WILL NOT cause weight gain. Actually some people find a night snack, like an apple and some milk, helps them sleep through the night better and not wake up hungry because it stabilizes blood sugar overnight. I'm not saying you have to eat it right before bed or anything but if you wanted a little something in the evening after dinner that is ok.

9. Healthy weight: The goal should never be to lose as much as possible, as fast as possible by eating as little as possible. It is not sustainable and you will yo yo back to where you started and it is in no way the healthy way to go.

There is no good reason that anyone needs to be at the very bottom of the healthy weight range unless it is just where they naturally are. By naturally I mean eating maintenance calories or more w/o excessive exercise and not gaining or losing, basically the set point for your body. Not very many people fall into that category. In fact many people can be the same age and height but be two different body types so that one end of the scale is healthy for one but not the other. Everyone is unique. The best thing you can do is get your doctors opinion in this matter. Plus it never hurts to get your health checked.

The aim should be to have a healthy strong body that will carry you for a lifetime. You don't necessarily have to count calories you just need a healthy meal plan. Carb, protein, fat at breakfast, lunch, dinner, and two snacks. Breakfast can be oatmeal with milk, nuts, and fruit. Lunch peanut butter or meat sandwich with fruit and/or veg. Dinner meat/protein fruit/veg rice/quinoa/pasta/bread with olive oil on the veggies or some dressing on a salad with some avocado. Snacks can be yogurt, granola bar/snack bar, handful of nuts and fruit/veg.

I know I practically wrote a book but I hope you find some piece of it helpful. Good luck and please be healthy and nourish your body because you deserve to be nourished and loved in all ways. All the best.

Young Calorie Counters need help losing these last few lbs Apr 02 2012
20:08 (UTC)
1

CC's calculator only works for 21 and over try this one http://www.health-calc.com/diet/energy-expend iture-advanced.

Young Calorie Counters Working out and parents Apr 02 2012
19:55 (UTC)
5

OP Since you are eating 1300 calories which is far less than someone your age requires and before that were eating less than 1000 calories I'd wager a guess its because you know exactly what they'd say if they realized you were starving yourself and exercising on top of that. Anyone under 21 should not eat below 1500. 1500 is bare minimum for short (under 5') sedentary teenage girls. You may only be 5'1 but you are also young and growing and if you keep under eating you'll have no chance of growing past 5'1 as you still may. Even if you don't grow past 5'1 your body still has a lot of vital growth to go through up to at least age 21. Depriving your body of much needed nutrients now will impact your future health in very negative ways. You need to eat at least 1500 calories a day.

Young Calorie Counters I'm counting calories again. Apr 02 2012
19:46 (UTC)
6

You are still growing, in fact your body is going through a lot of vital growth that will continue to at least age 21. Your BMI is at the low/mid range of healthy. You don't have any weight to lose. Getting 8 hours of sleep and doing nothing but sittin on your backside all day you burn over 1800 calories. Being an active young teenager going to school etc you need at least 2000 a day if not more to stay at a healthy weight.

You were developing/had an eating disorder awhile ago and it seems you haven't got yourself out of that mindset. You claim that you were extremely over eating when you weren't counting but that cannot be true as you are at a perfectly low healthy weight for your height and age. This says to me that you still have some distorted thinking/body image going on and I would encourage you to speak with a therapist who specializes in eating disorders. It is very easy to fall into an ED and it can get serious fast without you even realizing. Losing weight and/or counting calories is a dangerous path for you to go down.

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