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Groupthink |
Mar 30 2011 19:06 (UTC) |
918 |
Original Post by purespark:
Original Post by roxysparkles:
Original Post by purespark:
Original Post by rachd:
It's human nature to form a clique when you have a group of people over a certain number. It doesn't make it bad, it's just what happens.
Maybe. The show "Survivor" would certainly have us think so.
I truly don't see that dynamic here, but I don't need to argue about it.
omg, sparkie, so funny you mentioned survivor. after all this stuff came up with cliques and claques and whatever, I changed the thinggy that shows up when you hover over my avi. hilarious.
Ha! I'm reading your miiiind!
I think I'm one of the few people on the planet that hasn't seen that show :) |
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Mar 30 2011 19:04 (UTC) |
920 |
Original Post by connielicious:
Original Post by jules817:
Um...your poor little victim of injustice called me unintelligent and repulsive in a recent post. He wasn't modded, i didn't report it, and i don't care. If i can dish it out, i can take it.
There is always a back story...whew! That was harsh.
I don't think anyone's a victim, least of all CCat or you. As has pointed out numerous times, ya'll are adults.
This is all very humourous. You have to admit the whole "but he started it!" and "he calls me a poopyhead, so why can't I call him one?!"...is just a bit childish?
I continue to find if fascinating how personalities are warped on the internet...I very seriously doubt we are all the same IRL as on these boards. |
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Mar 30 2011 18:55 (UTC) |
931 |
Original Post by roxysparkles:
Original Post by moonikins:
I'm not here to defend Calcat. I'd like to point out that if Calcat insulted several posters as much as they insult him, that he would be ejected from the site.
I do agree with this. I especially found it horrific that someone called him a "Jack @#$#" and wasn't modded.
As usual mooni summed up one of my points with many fewer words than I was able to use :) |
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Mar 30 2011 18:54 (UTC) |
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Original Post by purespark:
That being said, I don't think any thread on this board validates CCat's constant assertion that there is an overarching Clique in the CC Lounge. He has gone so far as to say that we (I know he includes me in this group) have a 'strategy' that's focused on driving out members that we don't agree with. Um... no. I'm nowhere near that invested in this forum. I have friends here, and I get a lot of insight and fun out of the Lounge, but it's paranoia to assert that we're actually actively trying to oust him. There's some sort of persecution complex at work there.
I can't say that I agree with the whole conspiracy theory, but to say that an online community doesn't have cliques seems a little naive. Of course there's cliques, and you may be a 'member'....even I may be a member of one. Maybe I'm in the "Been here long time, lurker that rarely posts" clique.
It's human nature to form a clique when you have a group of people over a certain number. It doesn't make it bad, it's just what happens. |
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Mar 30 2011 18:50 (UTC) |
933 |
Original Post by jules817:
Original Post by rachd:
Original Post by jules817:
I was the only one in the gay children thread who insulted him? really? I tried answering his question several times, only to be told i wasn't answering honestly because he can't wrap his head around someone not feeling the way he does. That rubs me the wrong way. He posts threads and comments constantly that he KNOWS will cause drama, then cries like a big baby when people call him out on it. If you don't see that, you need to open your eyes.
If you'd like to report me to the mods for harassing CCat, please feel free. He hasn't seemed to think it necessary.
Nah...I don't feel the need to report anything, that's CCat's job.
If you're feel attacked I apologize, but your situation and responses in the threads the last couple weeks was just the perfect example of the issues listed in the OP.
Thanks sooo much for using me as an example! glad to be of service bringing this thread back on track!
You're welcome. |
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Mar 30 2011 18:49 (UTC) |
934 |
Original Post by jules817:
Original Post by rachd:
It doesn't really matter, I guess I'm just stirring things up because I'm bored. I just find the irony absolutely fascinating.
I'm sorry, what irony? Can you explain?
The irony of a OP on group mentality proving the point of group mentality. |
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Mar 30 2011 18:37 (UTC) |
941 |
Original Post by jules817:
I was the only one in the gay children thread who insulted him? really? I tried answering his question several times, only to be told i wasn't answering honestly because he can't wrap his head around someone not feeling the way he does. That rubs me the wrong way. He posts threads and comments constantly that he KNOWS will cause drama, then cries like a big baby when people call him out on it. If you don't see that, you need to open your eyes.
If you'd like to report me to the mods for harassing CCat, please feel free. He hasn't seemed to think it necessary.
Nah...I don't feel the need to report anything, that's CCat's job.
If you're feel attacked I apologize, but your situation and responses in the threads the last couple weeks was just the perfect example of the issues listed in the OP. |
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Mar 30 2011 18:31 (UTC) |
945 |
Original Post by hksquared:
Original Post by rachd:
Original Post by hksquared:
Original Post by jules817:
speaking of stalking, you seem to know my posting habits pretty well...creepy.
Hmm.. I know Rachd. She's another one that's been here awhile.
Seems to me that if you've been here long enough you get a pretty good idea what at least the regular's different posting habits are.
yea...I can't believe I've been on here since 2006...I feel old! :)
Neither can I.
Definitely gives you a feeling of the cyclical nature of the site, having been here this long.
It really does....it's all just one big circle, but it's fascinating how the culture has changed in that time. It's not better or worse, just different. A psychologist would have field day :) |
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Mar 30 2011 18:28 (UTC) |
948 |
Original Post by hksquared:
Original Post by jules817:
speaking of stalking, you seem to know my posting habits pretty well...creepy.
Hmm.. I know Rachd. She's another one that's been here awhile.
Seems to me that if you've been here long enough you get a pretty good idea what at least the regular's different posting habits are.
yea...I can't believe I've been on here since 2006...I feel old! :) |
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Mar 30 2011 18:27 (UTC) |
949 |
Original Post by purespark:
I wasn't defending Jules. As you can see, she's also capable of speaking for herself. Just pointing out that there's back story involved, and although you've been here a long time, I still don't think you know all of it.
Fair enough, point taken.
But does having a 'back story' make it ok? Why is it an acceptable excuse to treat someone thus, even if it is internet and no IRL?
And why does she need to defend anything? Am I making a statement that's not true? One that can't be proven just by looking at threads currently on the board?
It doesn't really matter, I guess I'm just stirring things up because I'm bored. I just find the irony absolutely fascinating. |
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Mar 30 2011 18:18 (UTC) |
953 |
Original Post by jules817:
Original Post by rachd:
Original Post by jules817:
Original Post by moonikins:
Original Post by caloricat:
One person posted that most of the lounge disagrees with each other all the time, including inside that "group"...I would say I've personally rarely seen that in the 3 years I've been around. It happens...usually about dumb stuff like shoes or mayonaise...but usually if it there is a "real" disagreement in that particular "group"...it becomes like the weakest of the litter starving to death and that person just leaves the site or Lounge. Why is that? I think it goes back to what's already been said about intolerance, moral superiority, needing to be right, etc...
I have had some pretty heated disagreements with various people on CC. A couple of weeks ago Nomo and I were head butting each other. We never did really settle the disagreement. We both kind of gave up on it at the same time.
There are some cliques or groups of people on here who pretty much see eye to eye most of the time. They do tend to defend each other. I don't think it is as strong or as organized as you do though.
Nobody thinks it's as strong or as organized as he does. Amount of time he's spent talking about it, I expect him to publish a thesis any day now. Lounge Clique Dynamics: Clique or "Clique"?
Do you have a secret crush on CalCat or something?
Every thread I've gone into the last couple weeks if he posts or someone posts something about him, you immediately jump on to crititize/namecall/or just ridicule him. And that's pretty much all you post in the thread.
Hey...I think he's a bit melodramatic, but this is like internet stalking...or the bully pulling your ponytails cause he secretly likes you.
I know this is a little off topic, but definitely proves some points in the OP.
Yup! you got me! I have a giant crush on CCat. just can't hid it any longer. So glad someone finally called me out so i can admit the truth.
speaking of stalking, you seem to know my posting habits pretty well...creepy.
It's just an observation, I do lurk in the interesting threads. Can't say you yourself interest me enough to stalk though.
Seriously, this is a perfect example of the point the OP was making. I point out a case of someone being "harrassed" or "jumped on" and a couple of regulars come out to defend the other regular.
But what are they defending? Can you seriously not see my example? I'm not making anything up...it's not even a debate, just an example.
I think the specific thread I was thinking of was the one on gay children. You pretty much only commented to insult CCat, then I saw it in this one...a thread he didn't even start.
I'm not defending CCat, he's a big boy and can speak for himself....a bit melodramatic perhaps, but some of his points are being proven as I type. Are some treated different? Obviously! If someone virtually followed me around mocking or insulting my posts, I would be upset and expect the mods to do something about it. |
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Mar 30 2011 18:04 (UTC) |
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Original Post by purespark:
Rachd, this is one of those situations where, if you were versed in the back-story, you wouldn't come to that conclusion.
I lurk here all the time, I have a pretty good idea...but seriously only posting to insult one person continuously? No matter the backstory, how is that not childish?
You have to admit, if this was happening in real life it would be stalking or harrassment, but of course since it's the internet people feel much more 'secure'. |
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Mar 30 2011 18:00 (UTC) |
958 |
Original Post by cptbunny:
Original Post by connielicious:
Original Post by cptbunny:
I just wanna say that people are confusing blunt honesty with rudeness. PG has never ever been rude, she's always been straight up honest. None of the sugar-coated junk (think of all the calories!).
People get angry at fidget too and she does the same thing. People just don't like hearing the truth. I appreciate harsh truths even if it upsets me (because it's true).
I don't think that even PG would make such a statement. And since when does honesty have to be BLUNT.
Blunt -definition-; insensitively frank, showing no delicacy or consideration. What's so great about that?
It may not be great to you, but it's still not rude by definition. I think it's great because it's 100% honest and straight forward.
I think a lot of people misread others as well.
Doesn't PG use the phrase or some version of the phrase "you're an idiot" pretty much all the time? Granted that's usually after she's bluntly made her point a time or two...but that's more than blunt.
I kinda feel for PG in these type of threads, she tends to be called out because she posts so often, but there are many more worse than her. |
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Mar 30 2011 17:56 (UTC) |
961 |
Original Post by jules817:
Original Post by moonikins:
Original Post by caloricat:
One person posted that most of the lounge disagrees with each other all the time, including inside that "group"...I would say I've personally rarely seen that in the 3 years I've been around. It happens...usually about dumb stuff like shoes or mayonaise...but usually if it there is a "real" disagreement in that particular "group"...it becomes like the weakest of the litter starving to death and that person just leaves the site or Lounge. Why is that? I think it goes back to what's already been said about intolerance, moral superiority, needing to be right, etc...
I have had some pretty heated disagreements with various people on CC. A couple of weeks ago Nomo and I were head butting each other. We never did really settle the disagreement. We both kind of gave up on it at the same time.
There are some cliques or groups of people on here who pretty much see eye to eye most of the time. They do tend to defend each other. I don't think it is as strong or as organized as you do though.
Nobody thinks it's as strong or as organized as he does. Amount of time he's spent talking about it, I expect him to publish a thesis any day now. Lounge Clique Dynamics: Clique or "Clique"?
Do you have a secret crush on CalCat or something?
Every thread I've gone into the last couple weeks if he posts or someone posts something about him, you immediately jump on to crititize/namecall/or just ridicule him. And that's pretty much all you post in the thread.
Hey...I think he's a bit melodramatic, but this is like internet stalking...or the bully pulling your ponytails cause he secretly likes you.
I know this is a little off topic, but definitely proves some points in the OP. |
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Would you "prefer" to have a gay child? |
Mar 24 2011 21:29 (UTC) |
203 |
Original Post by starlitocean:
Original Post by caloricat:
I was looking at some polling data for support of homosexuality in the US. The numbers will vary greatly (33-74%) depending on who is conducting the survey, but the general mainstream sources seem to point towards 50-55% support for the homosexual lifestyle.
However, that support seemed to fall off significantly (by roughly 80%) when people were asked if that lifestyle was acceptable for them.
right here, rachd.
Hummm...I must be completely missing it. That doesn't say he thinks it's a choice...just the percentage of people who changed their mind. |
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Would you "prefer" to have a gay child? |
Mar 24 2011 21:27 (UTC) |
206 |
Original Post by pgeorgian:
none of us wants our kids--hypothetical or not--to be miserable. a gay kid's chances of being miserable are exponentially higher if his or her parents are homophobic. so anyone who hopes that their kids aren't gay probably shouldn't be having kids at all.
Do these have to be mutually exclusive? You don't think that a person can hope that their child not be gay, but still be supportive and loving if they do become so? |
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Would you "prefer" to have a gay child? |
Mar 24 2011 21:23 (UTC) |
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I'm not a parent, but as most of you my biggest wish for any future children would be for them to be happy. Whether it's a happy homosexual or a happy heterosexual.
However, I do think the OP has a point and as evidenced in roxy's story....being gay is just more difficult. Society has not quite gotten to the point of total acceptance. This is where I would not 'wish' homosexuality on my child. I also would not wish for them to have physical imperfection (also inviting ridicule), or a speech impediment, or a learning disability. All of things are examples of things that can make life harder on a child/adult.
Do I think that being gay is 'bad'? Of course not. But do I think that society's treatment of homosexuality is/can be 'bad'? Yes...one I wouldn't 'wish' on my child.
IMO...In the end it's not about wishing for your child to have a specific sexual orientation, it's about wishing for your child to have the easiest road to happiness.
On another note...
There was this huge discussion bashing the OP for thinking homosexuality was a choice...but I don't see where the OP ever said that? Am I missing it? They even said multiple times that they'd be supportive of their child? Maybe this is something left over from another discussion? Just curious... |
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Overweight poor people are undeserving? |
Mar 16 2011 19:27 (UTC) |
32 |
Original Post by jenniferelliott:
Original Post by giantridersm:
Next time you're in a grocery store, take a look at prices for food (without the store card, because poor people might not have access to a cell phone or have an address and therefore cannot apply for one).
Not totally true. Obviously it's not in all areas, but in PA, we have a lot of discount stores. Aldi is an example of this. They do not require a membership or card, you just have to bring along (or pay for) your own bags to carry things in after leaving the store. Almost everything costs under $5. High nutrition foods such as bell peppers are 2/$.89. Large packs of ground beef and pork are always under $5. Junk food there is also cheap, but comparable in price.
Not directed at you, giantridersm, but a lot of these posts involve people pretending that junk food is their only option. It's not - the problem lies in them placing aside their pride over not going to their favorite chains anymore. If you go to Whole Foods, Giant, Weis, Trader Joes, etc, you're getting ripped off for enjoying a brand name and pretty storefront. Put aside your pride and seek out more reasonable means. I am not poor, but I shop at Aldi, because they prove that raising price on healthy food is a ploy to get you to spend more on a hot-button issue. That's the kind of company I want to support: one that uses local suppliers to provide high quality for the right cost.
Also, you don't need a phone number to get the card. There's always a little box you can check that says "I decline to provide personal info". They can't NOT give you the card they'd give to someone else, I'm pretty sure that would break some laws. |
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Do all men who get ready at the last minute or just my husband? |
Mar 15 2011 21:05 (UTC) |
11 |
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This is the usual scenario...
I'm ready to go and ask him "are you ready? let's go!"....he say's "almost, just gotta do xyz". This repeats about 3 times, finally I find something else to do while waiting on him. At exactly the moment I start to do something else he goes into the garage, starts the car, and yells "Why aren't you ready?".
Urgggggg!!!! And he calls me late! 'roll of eyes' |
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Do pregnant women get a pass? |
Mar 09 2011 22:15 (UTC) |
12 |
Original Post by purespark:
Oh, and I should edit my post to read that I would never tell anyone I loved that they stunk and to get away from me. There are much kinder ways to tell someone that they need a shower or to brush their teeth or whatever.
But this completely depends on your relationship. If my SO was stinking, I'd tell him. And I'd probably tell him the same way she did...but that's how we communicate. We have a witty, sarcastic banter at times...doesn't mean I don't love him. Just that I point out when he's an **** or when he stinks :) It works for us.
I agree with suzushii actually, doesn't seem like she was that rude to me. More joking. Do you know her very well? Or is this a side conversation you heard? Was she friends with the person she was chatting with?
Seems a bit harsh to judge someone so poorly based on the situation described...pregnant or not. |