protein question

having nothing to do with weight gain just nutrition in general... how many grams is too much protein in a day?

i am 5'2'' ranging from 88-91 lbs on a day.

i love protein shakes and eggs and high protein fish and cereal and get anywhere from 110-140g a day.

my dr. today told me she thinks this is too much for my kidneys.  but she is a shrink not a nutritionist....

your opinion and gram intake a day?

i read my min. intake is 40g.... i get 20g a meal usually so that doesnt even sound possible!

oh also i do get carbs and fat and such as well and i vary things so thats not an issue i purely want to know if im getting too uch protein... thanks!

You should not be getting more than 1.5 g/kg of body weight.

Even consistently that much is hard on your kidneys--ESPECIALLY during ED recovery, when it's hard enough for your body to learn to digest properly and get it's enzymes back into gear.

My guess is protein foods are "safe" for you.  Since I started working I have noticed that protein foods are some of the top ED safe foods, right up there with low calorie items, fruits, and veggies.

For YOUR best interests substitute a shake like boost or ensure, snacks like nutter butters and ritz crackers, and only eat protein in the forms that naturally come on the "side" or in you peanut butter or meat dishes [made WITH a grain like pasta dominating].

Extra protein or protein over those things only does good things for ED.  It does bad things for YOU.

What are you going to choose? Something for ED or something for you?

And as usual, it comes down to the action.  It'll be scary as heck at first, but once you make the decision to take your life in your own hands [away from ED], don't let yourself think about it [aka listen to ED screaming as you kick him], it'll get easier.  And you'll FEEL so much better for LIFE!  Definitely worth a little shaking in the boots in the moment. ;)

Original Post by tuffstuff07:

You should not be getting more than 1.5 g/kg of body weight.

Even consistently that much is hard on your kidneys--ESPECIALLY during ED recovery, when it's hard enough for your body to learn to digest properly and get it's enzymes back into gear.

My guess is protein foods are "safe" for you.  Since I started working I have noticed that protein foods are some of the top ED safe foods, right up there with low calorie items, fruits, and veggies.

For YOUR best interests substitute a shake like boost or ensure, snacks like nutter butters and ritz crackers, and only eat protein in the forms that naturally come on the "side" or in you peanut butter or meat dishes [made WITH a grain like pasta dominating].

Extra protein or protein over those things only does good things for ED.  It does bad things for YOU.

What are you going to choose? Something for ED or something for you?

 

And as usual, it comes down to the action.  It'll be scary as heck at first, but once you make the decision to take your life in your own hands [away from ED], don't let yourself think about it [aka listen to ED screaming as you kick him], it'll get easier.  And you'll FEEL so much better for LIFE!  Definitely worth a little shaking in the boots in the moment. ;)

What? That sounds like nonsense. More protein doesn't aide your ED. In fact, it's been proven that unless you eat like 600g of protein per day, you probably won't have any sort of kidney problems, as long as you drink enough water. I don't think scaring her into eating one less type of food is going to help.

Original Post by toasttoasttoast:

Original Post by tuffstuff07:

You should not be getting more than 1.5 g/kg of body weight.

Even consistently that much is hard on your kidneys--ESPECIALLY during ED recovery, when it's hard enough for your body to learn to digest properly and get it's enzymes back into gear.

My guess is protein foods are "safe" for you.  Since I started working I have noticed that protein foods are some of the top ED safe foods, right up there with low calorie items, fruits, and veggies.

For YOUR best interests substitute a shake like boost or ensure, snacks like nutter butters and ritz crackers, and only eat protein in the forms that naturally come on the "side" or in you peanut butter or meat dishes [made WITH a grain like pasta dominating].

Extra protein or protein over those things only does good things for ED.  It does bad things for YOU.

What are you going to choose? Something for ED or something for you?

 

And as usual, it comes down to the action.  It'll be scary as heck at first, but once you make the decision to take your life in your own hands [away from ED], don't let yourself think about it [aka listen to ED screaming as you kick him], it'll get easier.  And you'll FEEL so much better for LIFE!  Definitely worth a little shaking in the boots in the moment. ;)

What? That sounds like nonsense. More protein doesn't aide your ED. In fact, it's been proven that unless you eat like 600g of protein per day, you probably won't have any sort of kidney problems, as long as you drink enough water. I don't think scaring her into eating one less type of food is going to help.

 It aids the ED because a key part of eating disorders is only being allowed certain "safe" foods.  These vary per person, but common trends tend to be fruits, veggies, low calories or diet items, and protein foods.  The victim feels less guilt for eating these and eats them in excess, even when they are not really serving her best.

You can defintiely have kidney problems, especially overcoming ED.  As an health and fitness major one of the recurring themes to  my education was the dangers of the high protein diets, and the digestive system of a previously-starved individual is especially vulnerable.

TOAST-what TUFFSTUFF is trying to say, is that when ppl w EDs mostly eat 1 food its bc they considar it a safe food.  proteing van be understood by someone as good for them, sso theyll see it that if theyre going to eat something anyway, they may as well eat a lot of that.  so someone who thinks veggies are safe will eat a mojority of those, they may still get the cals but its not a balanced diet.

I am eating the cals I am told to eat I just like protein shakes is all and for instance today got 120g of protein... is that too much is all i wonder... any answers?

i THINK the bottom line, is that its very likely that wanting to eat lots of protein, or any 1 type of food, is a symptom of the ED.  a calories is a calorie is a calorie, if youre underweight and want to recover, you eat, it doesnt matter what.  being concerned w amounts of nutrients and what not is a symptom of the ED.  why a protein shake and not just yogurt, or a glass of chocolate milk.  it just seems to be that protein is your "safe" food, if not, then why the concern and just go ahead and have it.  also, you can just think, everything in moderation, right.

i guess guys but this question really had little to do with weight or ed or anything.  i am eating all sorts of foods and to be honest protein isnt my safe food... fruit is.  whats funny is i was always scared of protein in my ed and only ate fruit and veg.  i just fell in love with one particular thing that has mass protein in it and am a hypocrondriac (who cant spell) so i was worried about kidney function associated with getting too much of something.

its not a "safe" choice bc its higher in cals than my safe choices.  its just yum.  its not always about that.  its a health related question.

for instance, today i got 118g of protein... but i also got 240g of carbs and 45g of fat and went over my asked intake of 1800 calories.  all i wanted to know was how much is too much.

i know what an ed is and its symptoms and i appreciate the concern i just wish someone could tell me straight out the answer to my actual question.

I love you all... thanks for being here for me.

Original Post by toasttoasttoast:

Original Post by tuffstuff07:

You should not be getting more than 1.5 g/kg of body weight.

Even consistently that much is hard on your kidneys--ESPECIALLY during ED recovery, when it's hard enough for your body to learn to digest properly and get it's enzymes back into gear.

My guess is protein foods are "safe" for you.  Since I started working I have noticed that protein foods are some of the top ED safe foods, right up there with low calorie items, fruits, and veggies.

For YOUR best interests substitute a shake like boost or ensure, snacks like nutter butters and ritz crackers, and only eat protein in the forms that naturally come on the "side" or in you peanut butter or meat dishes [made WITH a grain like pasta dominating].

Extra protein or protein over those things only does good things for ED.  It does bad things for YOU.

What are you going to choose? Something for ED or something for you?

 

And as usual, it comes down to the action.  It'll be scary as heck at first, but once you make the decision to take your life in your own hands [away from ED], don't let yourself think about it [aka listen to ED screaming as you kick him], it'll get easier.  And you'll FEEL so much better for LIFE!  Definitely worth a little shaking in the boots in the moment. ;)

What? That sounds like nonsense. More protein doesn't aide your ED. In fact, it's been proven that unless you eat like 600g of protein per day, you probably won't have any sort of kidney problems, as long as you drink enough water. I don't think scaring her into eating one less type of food is going to help.

toast, what are your sources of proof?  600g could not possibly apply to everyone and is 6.5g per pound of body weight for this particular poster which seems incredibly excessive.

danamichael, I don't have any good proof, but my searches suggested that .5g to 1.5g per pound of body weight was the ideal range.

Dana-

Stricly speaking from a nutrition standpoint, you only need .8g per kg of body weight from protein.  Excess protein is harder on your kidneys and digestion.  It is also an inefficient energy source so if your having protein calories rather than carb calories you end up with less energy and a slower metabolism.

The only place ED factors in to that is that your digestive system is especially vulnerable.

ED can also make it more difficult to eat for your best health [about half the amount of protein] because it feels more secure to eat your safe [protein] foods to get calories, whereas it would be in your better interest, from a health standpoint, to substitute some carbs and fats instead of the protein.

danamichael, I don't have any good proof, but my searches suggested that .5g to 1.5g per pound of body weight was the ideal range.

 It's actually per kg.  The ACSM guidelines as well as the ADA recommend .8-1g per kilogram.  .8g/kg for your average individual, 1g for someone building muscle, and 1.2-1.5g for mega body builders.

Extra protein doesn't = more muscle either.  Actually, if you look at the studies [I wish I had them with me] too much protein tends to lead to a lack of carbs which leads to similar effects as those of too little calories, including the body hanging onto FAT instead of muscle.

Sometime when [if!] I get a chance I'll try and get some of my old stuff from the studies we did in school.

Here's some quickies on the recommendations:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_daily_ protein_recommendations_for_people

http://www.acefitness.org/fitnessqanda/fitnes sqanda_display.aspx?itemid=272

<-notes how excess protein can lead to lack of calcium absorption [brittle bones] and other issues

http://horse.purinamills.com/nutrition/protei n_excess.asp

<-explains how it's hard on your kidneys

http://www.healthgoods.com/Education/Nutritio n_Information/Nutrition_for_Athletes/protein. htm

scroll down for recommendations per pound [.33g/lb] of body weight and other protein info

Our protein needs depend on our age, size, and activity level. The standard method used by nutritionists to estimate our minimum daily protein requirement is to multiply the body weight in kilograms by .8, or weight in pounds by .37. This is the number of grams of protein that should be the daily minimum. According to this method, a person weighing 150 lbs. should eat 55 grams of protein per day, a 200-pound person should get 74 grams, and a 250-pound person, 92 grams.

This is the crucial question for people on diets which are higher in protein than usual, as low carb diets tend to be. In a review of the research, the National Academy of Sciences reported that the only known danger from high protein diets is for individuals with kidney disease. After careful study, they recommend that 10 percent to 35 percent of daily calories come from protein. They point out that increased protein could be helpful in treating obesity.

Ok this is what I looked up... while reading other post they so lost me, so it made me go looking.  This might help you not sure lol... Hope I helped!!

According to the site http://www.rd411.com/article.php?ID=14, you only need 0.8 gms/kg/day. If your blood albumin level is low, you may need more.

I think you'd be safe @ 1 gm/kg (2.2 lbs/kg), figuring it on your ideal weight, which in general, for women is 100 lbs + 5 lbs for every inch over 5 ft.

At 5'2", your "ideal"  wt. s/b between 100 to 120 lbs. (10% either way of 110#), and your protein needs between 36 and 55 gms/day. 60 gms/day would not be too many, depending on your kidney studies.

What does your dietitian say? (Not the same as a nutritionist.)

It's important to get not only enough protein, but also carbs and even a little fat. The problem comes when there's an imbalance. The body uses carbs and fats best for the energy needs of the brain and heart/muscles. Protein is used to repair and maintain the vigor of your muscles.

If you don't get energy needs from carbs (& a little fat), your body can use the protein you eat. It becomes a problem when you get too many cals from protein, and not enough from carbs/fat...or a great amount of protein in excess of your needs.

Protein needs to be broken down to a usable form for the body. In the process, undersirable by-products are produced. Too many of these products are hard for the kidneys to clear out.

But, not eating enough calories creates even more difficulty: the body breaks down your muscle (protein!) for the energy it needs to keep the brain and heart going. Eating your muscle to keep alive isn't so good...your heart is a muscle.

Another way of "counting" protein is to just have a portion 3 to 4 times a day. Portions of familiar protein foods: 2 Tbls peanut butter; 3 oz. lean meat/ fish/ poultry; 1/2 c dry beans/legumes/tofu; 1 c milk, yogurt, or cottage cheese; 1 egg.

Protein is also present in grains like wheat, corn, and brown rice, as well as vegetables such as white potatoes. To get a complete complement of amino acids (that make up protein), it's good to mix them: e.g., brown rice, beans, and corn.

I hope this answer is helpful.

thanks sooooooo much everyone thats exactly what i wanted!  i hope the 1-1.5g per pound answer was right bc that would allot me 135g a day and that would be neat.  ill be safe with it and ill ask my nutritionist on tuesday and let you all know what she says as well!  my ideal weight is about 102-105 does that change my protein intake SANDRAKO?

Original Post by danamichael:

thanks sooooooo much everyone thats exactly what i wanted!  i hope the 1-1.5g per pound answer was right bc that would allot me 135g a day and that would be neat.  ill be safe with it and ill ask my nutritionist on tuesday and let you all know what she says as well!  my ideal weight is about 102-105 does that change my protein intake SANDRAKO?

 per KILOGRAM.  less than 1/2 of a gram per pound.

DANA-hi hun!  youre really doing amazing, just 1 thing, sometimes ppl can get a bit bogged down w numbers, especially when it comes to weight.  you said your "ideal wight" is 102-105 about, what if thats not your body's ideal weight?  what if you were a bit higher and that that was where your body was happy, healthy, and that you were able to maintain easily.  i know i dont want to have to eat minimal amounts and spend my life at the gym in order to be at some "ideal weight", know waht i mean?

just something to think about-take care!

Original Post by tuffstuff07:

Original Post by danamichael:

thanks sooooooo much everyone thats exactly what i wanted!  i hope the 1-1.5g per pound answer was right bc that would allot me 135g a day and that would be neat.  ill be safe with it and ill ask my nutritionist on tuesday and let you all know what she says as well!  my ideal weight is about 102-105 does that change my protein intake SANDRAKO?

 per KILOGRAM.  less than 1/2 of a gram per pound.

 p.s. the caps wasn't me yelling, just trying to be clear.  easy misread, big difference ;)

tuff... ooooooh i dont know kilograms... so what  would my max be then?  rrrrrr  again i weigh 88-92lbs.  i dont get the kilo thing.

agru... and as far as my ideal body weight, what sucks is my career is i am an actress and when i gain weight i get fired from my job.  i work on film and tv and when i was binge eating and only 115 i was told i was fat and couldnt even book commercials.  its sad but true.  but i do want to be happy and healthy first.  my body charts say i would be healthy from 100lbs up so i just made up that number.  when i was dancing all the time i was 100 lbs and healthy and eating so i figure itll be good.... i guess ill know when i get there... but it is something to think about you are right!!!!  bc this is no way to live.

1 kg = 2.2 lbs.

so you weigh 88/2.2, or 40 kg

therefore, using the 1.5g/kg rule, you get about 60g protein/day

However, since you are aiming for a higher weight, go by percentages

Ideally, protein should equal about 20% of your diet. So if you are eating 2500 cals, you will need 500 cals of protein. There are 4 cals/gram of protein, so you need about 125 grams of protein.

Hope this helps! :)

i eat 1800 cals a day though, thats what my nutrtionist put me on at the moment... sorry im being such a pain you guys are awesome.

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Original Post by gi-jane:

The energy you get from protein should be 20-25% of your daily calories.  Carbohydrates and fats should make up the rest if you're aiming for a balanced, healthy diet.  So if you're having 2000 calories a day, you should be getting 400-500 calories from protein.