Read this before getting the swine flu vaccination!
This is scary but worth the read! Educate yourself about vaccinations before you get them!
Original Post by floggingsully:
Original Post by jcl76:
Guys, getting the vaccine or not is a personal decision.
Yes, everyone can make their own decision about getting the vacine, but spreading unsubstantiated scare-tactics like vaccines will kill your unborn baby' is irresponsible and intellectually dishonest and can lead people to make unhealthy decisions.
^this. Everything carries a certain amount of risk - both getting vaccinated and not getting vaccinated. Check your sources, read up on both sides of the argument, take your personal situation into account, and then make an informed decision.
And everyone, repeat after me: "Correlation does not imply causation."
Original Post by theholla:And everyone, repeat after me: "Correlation does not imply causation."
Bull, I know someone who drank a diet pepsi and later that day got hit by a car, obviously this proves that drinking diet pepsi causes you to get hit by cars. Basic science.
Just keep in mind that the guy behind this is NOT a doctor. He has a tv show/web site and a main business of selling diet books.
It is in his best interest to badmouth real medicine and the pharmaceutical industry so people will buy his products instead.
He is extremely anti-vaccination and says that cancer, diabetes, weight gain, weight loss, kidney stones, hair loss, and 100 other things are all caused by fungus. And he happens to have a dozen books for sale that will tell you how to deal with it.
The "real" doctor he worked with, Simoncini, had is medical license revoke a few years ago after killing a patient with his quack methods.
I'm not saying you should or shouldn't get a vaccine, but make an informed decision and don't get swept up in the hysteria.
It is the science of mycology. Just because his research and positive results is different from "real" doctors education does not mean he is wrong. There is a lot of research commited to fungal disease performed by what you would call "reputable" organizations. I have researched both the ends and outs of this for 4 years now. I have read countless articles of cancer patients not related to Doug Kaufmann that have been given shorten life spans, who have tried antifungal remedies and nutrition to beat cancer. He does not badmouth real medicine. He says quite extensively that it is not the medical field to blame, but their lack of proper training in this area. I suffered excema. I never bought his books, I just listened to his free shows and took the information I learned and my incurable excema disappeared. Mycology is a real science. I would have to think that you haven't researched everything related to mycology and the cause of it. It takes years of research, application and experience to make such a comment. I checked the prices on his books and they are extremely cheap- they do cost money to print and circulate.
Original Post by floggingsully:
Original Post by theholla:And everyone, repeat after me: "Correlation does not imply causation."
Bull, I know someone who drank a diet pepsi and later that day got hit by a car, obviously this proves that drinking diet pepsi causes you to get hit by cars. Basic science.
I stand corrected, and will immediately enroll in a remedial science class. Also, now I've changed my mind about the vaccine, and I am all for it. I got a flu vaccine once, and I'm awesome. Ergo, the flu vaccine makes you awesome. I'll take five!
Original Post by 67alecto:
Just keep in mind that the guy behind this is NOT a doctor. He has a tv show/web site and a main business of selling diet books.
It is in his best interest to badmouth real medicine and the pharmaceutical industry so people will buy his products instead.
He is extremely anti-vaccination and says that cancer, diabetes, weight gain, weight loss, kidney stones, hair loss, and 100 other things are all caused by fungus. And he happens to have a dozen books for sale that will tell you how to deal with it.
The "real" doctor he worked with, Simoncini, had is medical license revoke a few years ago after killing a patient with his quack methods.
I'm not saying you should or shouldn't get a vaccine, but make an informed decision and don't get swept up in the hysteria.
Didn't Simoncini say treat his patients solely on the use of sodium bicarbonate? He and Doug may agree about the relation between fungus and cancer, but Doug teaches the importance of foods and preservatives and it's role as well. That through the overconsumption of antibiotics, sugars, grains could cause a yeast overgrowth that may mimic diseases. And that makes sense considering antibiotics are mold and sugar and yeast are high mold foods. He teaches about antifungal treatments. And I would have to wonder, if every doctor that loss a cancer patient should have their medical licenses revoked. Oh course not, cause that would be ridiculous. Doctor's are "practicing" physicians. They go on what they know, and make a prognosis on the symptoms. Fungal infections are complex and can not be treated by one method only usually, depending on severity. It is the balance between a antifungal diet and anti-fungals and probiotics. The fungus is like a virus, it mutates and becomes immune to some anti-fungals. That is why it is important to change therapies once a month during treatment. One month I took garlic, now I am on a combination of different anti-fungals. The last cleanse I did I lost 70 pounds, got rid of my excema, palpitations, rarely needed my asthma meds and had incredible energy and just felt "good", in fact the best I have ever felt in my life. After a pregnancy, I went back to my old ways and started feeling like crap again, so I started a new cleansing. This "theology" or whatever you want to call it gave me new life. A healthy one.
I am most definitely getting both shots. For over 35 years I got the flu every single January or February like clockwork. I would miss 4-5 days of work, in addition to being miserable the 2-3 days before it hit me hard, and the two weeks after I was able to go back to work that I was still miserable, at least a good month all together. Four years ago they started offering the shot free at work every September and I decided to try it. I have not had so much as a cold since then, much less the flu. I was laid off in April of this year, so I have to pay for it now, but it will be worth it. Will be heading over to Walmart in next couple of days to get the first one.
I've worked in the last flu-vaccine manufacturing facility in the USA before it was shut down about 8 years ago. It was owned at that time by King Pharm. The process by which flu vaccine is made is as follows. Chicken eggs are fertilized and incubated en,masse. An egg takes 21 days to become a chicken. A some point the virus is injected into the chicken embryo's brian, at 19days the "chicken" is harvested, the brain removed spun out in a cetrifuge and the virus infected chicken brain matter left is what is used to make the vaccine. It's pretty much straight infected chicken brain that they inject into you... The incuabators are huge, they hold thousands of eggs, if you've ever boiled eggs and that scum that forms when 1 or 2 break... that gunk is everywhere, because eggs break... It's just wrong in so many ways. So the vaccine is not some super high tech, magical thing. It's all about exposure, so after I worked there for a few months and our contract was up. I didn't get the flu for about 6 years. I still don't get it really badly when I do get it. I also don't over do it with hand sanitizers and I eat right, exercise and keep body. mind and spirit in tact which promotes a strong immune system. A guy that I worked with who lived through WWII at a work camp in Siberia told me that the farmers all lived and the city people all died, and not to avoid using the porta-jons or washing my hands in dirty water.
Gross. Thank you for this information, though! Just crazy!
Lots of misinformation out there, especially regarding the swine flu vaccine, which is no different from any other flu vaccination. At least educate yourself based on several different sources before believing some of the crazy stuff that is on the internet.
Original Post by njtaylor2001:
Lots of misinformation out there, especially regarding the swine flu vaccine, which is no different from any other flu vaccination. At least educate yourself based on several different sources before believing some of the crazy stuff that is on the internet.
So true about the crazy stuff, but this blog was about the packaged insert that came with the vaccination with information from the company that released the shot.
*EDITED TO BE MORE CLEAR*
People like to forget that before vaccines, people died every day of diseases we don't think twice about. And the reason we don't get those very diseases often today is because so many of us are vaccinated against them.
It bugs me when people don't get vaccinated don't "believe" in vaccines and act like somehow they are healthier than the rest of us - the reason people who don't "believe" in vaccines aren't dying from various diseases is because they rest of us DO get vaccines (therefore, helping to slow down/prevent the spread of those diseases).
I already got my baby the regular seasonal flu shot, and my whole family plans on getting both vaccines as soon as we can (they are currently running low/out where I am as well).
Original Post by mommyliner:
So true about the crazy stuff, but this blog was about the packaged insert that came with the vaccination with information from the company that released the shot.
Every medication in the world carries information from the company that makes it that could scare the pants off you if you let it.
Gee... back when there was a shortage of the seasonal flu vaccine in my area, I thought I was being polite by letting all the babies and elderly have the vaccine instead of me...
Original Post by brtaylor:
Gee... back when there was a shortage of the seasonal flu vaccine in my area, I thought I was being polite by letting all the babies and elderly have the vaccine instead of me...
Yep - turns out you're actually worse than Hitler.
Original Post by myrnaminx:
Original Post by mommyliner:
So true about the crazy stuff, but this blog was about the packaged insert that came with the vaccination with information from the company that released the shot.
Every medication in the world carries information from the company that makes it that could scare the pants off you if you let it.
Maybe that's why I hardly take medications, lol!
I've been getting the flu shot for years now because of my asthma. I've never had any problems, or the flu for that matter.
I know a lady who refuses to take any form of medicine (besides natural remedies) or go to a doctor.
She's been having her period every day for 12 years....EVERY DAY!!!
CLEARLY the natural remedies she's using aren't helping, but she still won't get checked out. I find it very disturbing.
Original Post by mommyliner:
Original Post by myrnaminx:
Original Post by mommyliner:
So true about the crazy stuff, but this blog was about the packaged insert that came with the vaccination with information from the company that released the shot.
Every medication in the world carries information from the company that makes it that could scare the pants off you if you let it.
Maybe that's why I hardly take medications, lol!
you know, I hear you on that - I don't take something for every little ache and pain, or sniffle, etc. I don't rush to put the kids (or myself) on antibiotics every time they have a cough. We as a society are WAY overmedicated.
However, I still feel very strongly about the importance of vaccines as a whole.
Original Post by jblarghp:
I've been getting the flu shot for years now because of my asthma. I've never had any problems, or the flu for that matter.
I know a lady who refuses to take any form of medicine (besides natural remedies) or go to a doctor.
She's been having her period every day for 12 years....EVERY DAY!!!
CLEARLY the natural remedies she's using aren't helping, but she still won't get checked out. I find it very disturbing.
It's too bad for that lady. Life is about balance. I go to the doctor, my kids go to the doctor. I see what can be done naturally first. What did we eat/ what did I feed them? I am not totally against doctors, but I weigh everything carefully before just popping whatever they suggest. Seeing how I had a rib out and the ER doc gave me nitroglycerin for chest pain. Went to the chiropractor and pain went away. BTW- my heart was checked out and everything was fine. But I think it was stupid to prescribe such a potent drug without the proper tests. And the doctors who prescribe antibiotics for viral infections- when antibiotics are useless against them. And cause more harm than good in those circumstances. My post is informational. Take it or leave it. I don't really care who gets the shot. If you want it, get it. I just wanted to pass along information. But for me, No thanks.
Original Post by jblarghp:
She's been having her period every day for 12 years....EVERY DAY!!!
CLEARLY the natural remedies she's using aren't helping, but she still won't get checked out. I find it very disturbing.
Every day?? OMG.. I would die.
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