RIP Dr. Tiller
I really don't have the words to describe what I'm feeling right now that won't get censored. I've been fearing that this might start to happen again.
For anyone on here who might work at a clinic: please be alert, review any safety procedures you have, and stay safe.
^ mooni I have missed you!
I've missed you too bagga. You certainly can't be labelled a republican. :)
Actually he's probably a crazy anti-government pseudo-libertarian. The republicans haven't done any more to push the anti-abortion platform than the dems have done to push the anti-gun platform.
Ahh gator, don't ruin my fun.
Original Post by kathygator:
Actually he's probably a crazy anti-government pseudo-libertarian.
Actually from reading about him he's an anti-federal government conspiracy theorist type.
I've seen a couple folks refer to him as an anarchist, but he's got nothing in common with us. He's not anti-government, he's anti-federal government.
Just being nit-picky.
He's not anti-government, he's anti-federal government.
So that means he could vote republican in local and state elections.
Anti federal government - the distinction is noted my little anarchist friend. :)
Original Post by bagga:
and the rest will crown him pro-life king..................
THIS.
Original Post by class_matters:
Original Post by kathygator:
Actually he's probably a crazy anti-government pseudo-libertarian.
Actually from reading about him he's an anti-federal government conspiracy theorist type.
I've seen a couple folks refer to him as an anarchist, but he's got nothing in common with us. He's not anti-government, he's anti-federal government.
Just being nit-picky.
Do we have a name yet?
There's another place where you can find people arguing for "justifiable homicide". It's what Scott Roeder, the killer of George Tiller, believed in. He's a so-called "Christian Patriot" — a double scoundrel, in other words — who has a history of fringe beliefs, a criminal record of association with violent anti-government groups, and a paper trail in which he wraps himself in religious sanctimony and advocates death for abortionists.
In many ways, though, his religiosity is going to be a distraction. It simply doesn't matter, and the strongest conclusion we can draw from it is that religion fails to provide a reasonable framework for morality, since it is so easily and regularly subverted to rationalize evil.
Original Post by coffincritter:
Do we have a name yet?
The name of the guy they have in custody is Scott Roeder. Who has previously been arrested for being in possession of bomb making materials. Known in Operation Rescue circles, and even had the phone number for OR on a post-it note on his dashboard when arrested. Has visited the woman in jail who shot Tiller before. There was even a post by him on OR's website calling for people to protest inside Tiller's church, but OR has since removed the page.
Now we'll have to hear about how it was just "one lone individual" when it has been clear for years that these anti's are organized and support each other.
so my super fantastic co-worker (maybe you've seen a few of my posts?) just hollers "I can't not say it, I just read this story and GOOD! Someone had to do it"
I say, seems hypocritical to me.
she says, well sometimes the law doesn't work - men still killing babies
I say, apparently men are still killing MEN - that law isn't working too well either.
I am pro-life. I believe it is a personal decision. Why should those statements conflict?
ETA - her daughter is currently in labor and she is so upset that her daughter is having a baby and not herself that she is working late to delay.
Regardless of one's views on abortion, how is it "okay" to applaud the murder of this doctor? I just read your post, crazydiamondchrysalis, and then I had to add my two cents. I agree with you one hundred percent. Why is it great that this doctor was murdered? He wasn't doing anything illegal. And, even if he was, that means it's okay to murder him? WHAT THE ****!??!?!?!? Regardless of one's views on abortion. This was murder of someone, plain and simple. So how is that okay? I just can't wrap my head around that.
Especially for those who are pro-life. Add another murder in to what you already view as murder of the unborn child. More murders is okay?
I am not talking about my personal views on abortion here. Because that is not the point. Any way I view this, the killing of Dr. Tiller was murder and is not okay in my eyes.
What's got me really, really riled up is that I just overhead a conversation in my workplace about how it's "not a sin" to murder Dr. Tiller. This was a convo between two "Christians" -- one advocating the killing of the doctor, one saying it was hypocrtical and not okay.
I simply don't get it. If you advocate the murder of Dr. Tiller, that equates to advocating the 9/11 attack on the United States when thousands of people were killed. (And don't get me started on the resulting wars and thousands killed as a result of THAT bull.) It's NO DIFFERENT. Different religions used to justify the acts of violence, and that is the only nuance between these two acts.
Why is it so difficult for people to wrap their heads around this fact. Just because you believe a certain way doesn't mean it's okay. It's murder, plain and simple. How is there ANY ROOM for debate of this?!?!?!?!? Murder!!!!
I am so digusted and sick to my stomach. I'm at a loss. Totally befuddled, nauseous. I overhead this another row over from my desk. I was not part of the convo. It was one very senior person taking the 'not a sin' point of view and basically applauding this physician's murder. I am kind of mad at myself for not saying anything. This happened like an hour ago and I am still reeling and not dealing with my feelings well.
I guess I'm more naive than I thought. I'm just shocked. Murder of Dr. Tillman not a sin... really?!?!?!?
Unfortunately that is the problem with fanatics. They are so sure that they are doing as commanded by God that they cannot see that they are only doing what they want to do and using God as an excuse.
Original Post by amy_blue:
...He wasn't doing anything illegal. And, even if he was, that means it's okay to murder him? WHAT THE ****!??!?!?!? ...
We, in the USA, routinely murder people for illegal acts. In this case We The People simply eliminated the middle men, i.e. the judge and jury, and saved untold thousands in taxpayer money. In the end, as long as justice is served the the method really matter?
I believe it's justified under the "eye for an eye" codicil in the bible...
***note: I don't justify it -- that is simply how many others do.
You cannot get into this as an emotional argument -- neither side will win and both will go away angry. To look at this unemotionally is to see that it is an illegal act, punishable through legal measures.... Those that now advocate death to the murderer, uh, um.
The "middle men" of law and legal process is what makes America different than a lot of other countries. The method is what makes us America.
The slaying of Doctor Tiller is not justice. It's homicide.
Original Post by kathygator:
The slaying of Doctor Tiller is not justice. It's homicide.
And "slaying" IS justice if done by lethal injection?
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