Scientists Agree Global Warming is Real

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/01/19/ eco.globalwarmingsurvey/index.html

so what is your solution to global warming that won't hurt our economy?

This is a long article about the solar industry, but if you read it, you will see that new energy solutions are a boon to our economy - not something to avoid (unless you're a petroleum or coal company).  And they're not as far away as the oil-addicted would like you to believe.  Not by a long shot.  We're looking at 2 to 4 years for a major solar revolution in this country.

Just wanted to say there is not a consensus. The list of scientists who've signed a petition stating their opposition to the ‘consensus’ is now 31,000+ strong and growing...9000+ of whom are PHD's.  You can visit the site at www.oism.org/pproject

Original Post by crazineko:

Just wanted to say there is not a consensus. The list of scientists who've signed a petition stating their opposition to the ‘consensus’ is now 31,000+ strong and growing...9000+ of whom are PHD's.  You can visit the site at www.oism.org/pproject

crazi, there is a consensus.  and then there is oil-funded pseudo-science.  try this link.

Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine

The Marshall Institute co-sponsored with the OISM a deceptive campaign -- known as the Petition Project -- to undermine and discredit the scientific authority of the IPCC and to oppose the Kyoto Protocol. Early in the spring of 1998, thousands of scientists around the country received a mass mailing urging them to sign a petition calling on the government to reject the Kyoto Protocol. The petition was accompanied by other pieces including an article formatted to mimic the journal of the National Academy of Sciences. Subsequent research revealed that the article had not been peer-reviewed, nor published, nor even accepted for publication in that journal and the Academy released a strong statement disclaiming any connection to this effort and reaffirming the reality of climate change. The Petition resurfaced in 2001.

Spin: There is no scientific basis for claims about global warming. IPCC is a hoax. Kyoto is flawed.

Funding: Petition was funded by private sources.

Affiliated Individuals: Arthur B. Robinson, Sallie L. Baliunas, Frederick Seitz

here's another fun link about OISM.

To take the position that global warming isn't real is head in sand burying. It's a fact. The reasons may certainly vary, but the fact is it's getting more extreme out there.

If we can do even one thing to slow the process, we should.

You know, for me, going with solar, wind and other renewable energy sources isn't necessarily about climate change as it is about national security.  We should not be sending $700 billion dollars a year to a handful of countries whose people hate us, and who funnel our own money to radicalized groups who train and plot to do us harm.

We need to nip this in the bud trunk.  It's gone on for long enough.

We can GROW our economy with solar and wind projects.  Businesses are already getting on board because they care about one thing only (money) and these new technologies are more cost efficient.

So climate change deniers - whatever.  It doesn't matter.  We will become energy independent because it's the right thing for our country.  You'll just have to make peace with the fact that environmentalists will like it too.

I'm so confused about global warming....

-I'm hearing all this stuff about how there actually isn't global warming and we're actually entering the next ice age.
-Then I heard that there is global warming and that's what is causing the next ice age.
-Then I heard that we're not entering the next ice age but there is global warming.

Wtf!?! My brain is going to explode.

jblarghp, your confusion is understandable.  first, "global warming" is a misnomer.  the more accurate terminology is "climate change."  that's because the same factors that cause warming lead to cooling as well.

the poles are warming, which dumps a lot of cold water into the oceans, which affects ocean currents and weather (creating more catastrophic storms - don't need more evidence that that's happening, do we?), and creating cooling effects in temperate regions.

i don't claim to fully understand, but i definitely fully believe.

Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

You know, for me, going with solar, wind and other renewable energy sources isn't necessarily about climate change as it is about national security.  We should not be sending $700 billion dollars a year to a handful of countries whose people hate us, and who funnel our own money to radicalized groups who train and plot to do us harm.

We need to nip this in the bud trunk.  It's gone on for long enough.

We can GROW our economy with solar and wind projects.  Businesses are already getting on board because they care about one thing only (money) and these new technologies are more cost efficient.

So climate change deniers - whatever.  It doesn't matter.  We will become energy independent because it's the right thing for our country.  You'll just have to make peace with the fact that environmentalists will like it too.

 'xactly. :)

Original Post by crazineko:

 The list of scientists who've signed a petition stating their opposition to the ‘consensus’ is now 31,000+ strong and growing...9000+ of whom are PHD's. 

 Meh, you don't have to know anything about global warming to get a Ph.D.- you could have a Ph.D. in English lit and sign a petition against global warming. You also don't have to be particularly smart to get a Ph.D.; you can get one online. They're the new college degree (and a college degree is the new high school diploma).

I also think it's funny when people say, "I don't believe in global warming! It's a natural change in the Earth's climate!" Clearly, then, you DO believe that global warming exists, you just don't believe that the mechanism by which it happens is human. And I also love when people say, "It's cold this winter! Therefore, global warming is all a lie!" Those people don't understand the concept of a trend, and misunderstand that we're talking about a rise in global average temperature of, like, 2 degrees.

I loved that Obama mentioned data and statistics in his inaugural address, because the biggest difference I have noted between conservatives and liberals is the resistance of the former to basing stances on those very things.

Well, it's kinda hard to base your argument in data/statistics when all the data/statistics support the other side.  Except, of course, the oil-company-funded websites that don't expose themselves to peer review.

How can anyone not believe it? Polar bears and penguins running out of land, 'nuff said.

technically, they're running out of ice ;)

FINALLY!!!

Petroleum geologists AND meteorologists. I don't think meteorologists have a financial stake in this, but they should know a little about the weather. And by using the term meterologist, they're not talking TV weathermen, they're asking scientists who study the atmosphere in great detail.

If you liked Oboma's comments, I'm sure you'll love it when the new energy Tzar rewards utility companies for producing less thereby ensuring higher rates for consumers.  

Original Post by moonikins:

There are lots of things that can be done to slow global warming that will help our economy.

Recycling is a big one. Getting the automotive industry to produce and geting the public to buy fuel efficient cars instead of huge gas guzzling SUVs is another. Investing in and producing energy from renewable sources like solar and wind.

There's a number of other things that need to be done.  But they're never brought up because they would force us to abandon our (the U.S.) current lifestyle.  We really need to move beyond just talking about making things more energy efficient and begin also talking about how we need to change our society.

The abandoning of cities for surburbs and especially exurbs has to be reversed.  The less population density there is the great distance one must travel for any little thing which means more car travel.  How many of these exurbs don't even have sidewalks?

We need to have our jobs be within our communities again.  Think how much energy (and time) is wasted in commuting.

With a greater population density that would come with city living, we would need to build better mass transit systems.  Most cities in the US have horrible mass transit.  This could help make personal auto ownership not necessary.

So many of the products we consume are disposable.  Stuff is made to be discarded after one use or made to only last a limited period of time.  This is horribly wasteful of resources.

Another useful thing would be to get away from all the pre-packaged meals and make locally grown food a priority.

I'm sure there's many many more things that folks could think of.