Scientists Agree Global Warming is Real
i was going to say that letting your car idle for a long time is bad for your engine and may cost you more $$$ in repairs later on, but i see that pg has already covered that
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Original Post by santonacci:
However, I have run into some that don't believe climate change exists at all, and like to use the "there can't be global warming, we just had 15" of snow" argument.
I don't count that as an argument, unless they're trying to argue that they're a moron.
No, scientists do not all agree that global warming is 'real.' I say this only for the reason that the number of time's I've read on the science pages "scientists: Global Warming debate over" proves that it isn't. You should only have to say "mission accomplished" once.
I also say this to the extent that I know a number of scientist-types, whom I otherwise respect, who think there is no such thing as man-made climate change. Now, personally, I think they're off their collective rockers to say so, but just because I disagree with them doesn't mean I disrespect them.
Moreover, everyone is "protecting their paycheck." People don't do things that aren't in their best interest. It's just that, for the most of us, it's a somewhat theoretical, airy sort of thing, something that we might read an article on, but not really grapple with the problems thereof.
Personally, while I do believe that man-made climate change is happening, I think that the majority of the solutions thereto are either politically abhorrent or amount to polishing brass on the Titanic. It's much better to worry over the little things than to wrangle a system that even in the best of days we don't understand very well. We'd get better results that way.
Original Post by freedomfrom:
I also say this to the extent that I know a number of scientist-types, whom I otherwise respect, who think there is no such thing as man-made climate change.
"Scientist types"? Or actual scientists?
I know scientists too - I work with a brilliant one who can design a small signal communication system that knocks the socks off our competitors - but I'll trust his analysis of global climate systems as much as I trust my dentists'.
Original Post by pgeorgian:
but as for letting your car warm up in the morning, unless it's a diesel or a 3-litre, 8-cylinder muscle car, you not only damaging the environment, you're damaging your engine by letting it idle while cold.
And even that's pennies to the dollars of, say, not shopping in a big box store, or buying locally raised/grown food. But that reflects actual lifestyle changes, as opposed to burnt offerings to strange idols.
If not a dentist, how about someone extremely knowledgeable about geothermal heating systems?
Original Post by freedomfrom:
And even that's pennies to the dollars of, say, not shopping in a big box store
Man, I went to WalMart for the first time in years a few months ago...I don't understand how people can go there. It felt like I was in a very deep, very hot circle of hell. Screw the planet, I'm going to go ahead and avoid it for the sake of my mental health.
Original Post by ignayshus:
If not a dentist, how about someone extremely knowledgeable about geothermal heating systems?
It would depend if they are also knowledgeable about how geothermal heating systems interact with other systems and affect changes in the climate.
Original Post by emilyd22222:
Original Post by freedomfrom:
And even that's pennies to the dollars of, say, not shopping in a big box storeMan, I went to WalMart for the first time in years a few months ago...I don't understand how people can go there. It felt like I was in a very deep, very hot circle of hell. Screw the planet, I'm going to go ahead and avoid it for the sake of my mental health.
agreed, emily. i "had" to go before christmas because i had a 1500km road trip in front of me and no music for the trip (i'd lent my ipod to a friend, who got stuck in vancouver due to snow). i had to make CDs and i'd forgotten to pick up blanks downtown and it was either walmart or turning around and driving back. i felt dirty afterward. still do.
Original Post by nomoreexcuses:
i was going to say that letting your car idle for a long time is bad for your engine and may cost you more $$$ in repairs later on, but i see that pg has already covered that
Not letting your car warm up tends to do it damage as well...30 seconds is all you need in the winter, though. :D
Quis custodiet, santonacci. You have to trust someone at some point to help, unless you're out there doing the research or vetting the data yourself. Everyone's got an angle. So who do you trust to sort out one authority from another, in a field that's operates in this day and age by playing authority to the rest of us chickens?
If knowledge is limited to profession, not only is that a hop, skip, and a jump away from technofetishism, then half of the whole purpose of this website, that educated amatures can help each other out, is pretty well bunk.
Original Post by moonikins:
Original Post by dnrothx:
Original Post by nomoreexcuses:
i was going to say that letting your car idle for a long time is bad for your engine and may cost you more $$$ in repairs later on, but i see that pg has already covered that
Not letting your car warm up tends to do it damage as well.
What you're supposed to do is to let your car idle as little as possible before driving. Then drive gently and slowly for the first 5-10 minutes. When you idle your car, the cold oil is not really circulating and it's much harder on your engine.
Of course, if your car has a carburetor...you should idle for longer...and get a new car, goshdarnit. :D
Original Post by freedomfrom:
Quis custodiet, santonacci. You have to trust someone at some point to help, unless you're out there doing the research or vetting the data yourself. Everyone's got an angle. So who do you trust to sort out one authority from another, in a field that's operates in this day and age by playing authority to the rest of us chickens?
If knowledge is limited to profession, not only is that a hop, skip, and a jump away from technofetishism, then half of the whole purpose of this website, that educated amatures can help each other out, is pretty well bunk.
I would hate to think that learning about healthy foods to eat, healthy ways to cook, healthy exercises to engage in, and how to balance your life are quite as technically specialized topics as trends in global climate patterns. 
Original Post by nomoreexcuses:
Original Post by freedomfrom:
Quis custodiet, santonacci. You have to trust someone at some point to help, unless you're out there doing the research or vetting the data yourself. Everyone's got an angle. So who do you trust to sort out one authority from another, in a field that's operates in this day and age by playing authority to the rest of us chickens?
If knowledge is limited to profession, not only is that a hop, skip, and a jump away from technofetishism, then half of the whole purpose of this website, that educated amatures can help each other out, is pretty well bunk.
I would hate to think that learning about healthy foods to eat, healthy ways to cook, healthy exercises to engage in, and how to balance your life are quite as technically specialized topics as trends in global climate patterns.
Sometimes it seems that way. You should have seen the disaster I made last night! :D
Original Post by jeffmidguard:
If you liked Oboma's comments, I'm sure you'll love it when the new energy Tzar rewards utility companies for producing less thereby ensuring higher rates for consumers.
what's a T-zar? is that anything like a T-rex?
mmmm t-rex, good eatin I hear.
Original Post by moonikins:
Original Post by dnrothx:
Original Post by nomoreexcuses:
i was going to say that letting your car idle for a long time is bad for your engine and may cost you more $$$ in repairs later on, but i see that pg has already covered that
Not letting your car warm up tends to do it damage as well.
What you're supposed to do is to let your car idle as little as possible before driving. Then drive gently and slowly for the first 5-10 minutes. When you idle your car, the cold oil is not really circulating and it's much harder on your engine.
and today's smaller engines don't get hot enough at an idle to burn the fuel completely, so you get lots of residue if you idle it cold.
start and drive. i don't even start mine before scraping the windshield.
edit: and use a block heater.
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