stupid brother

Yeah so he's smoking clove cigarettes now. Why do kids (he's 17) have to be so stupid? They have to try all the stupid things their stupid friends do. It's got all the same nasty junk regular cigarettes have, I sure hope it doesn't turn into something more.

They taste good and they smell good. 

They give me headaches though.  He'll grow out of it. 

I smoked a ton of cloves when I was 17.

It's not stupid it's just what teenagers do.

I also smoked alot of pot, took alot of acid, and snorted alot of things

But hey, thats growing up

I started smoking cloves when I was 18.

I'm 28 now.  There's an unopened pack of cigarettes in my purse as I type this.  I won't open them until next weekend, most likely, because I only smoke when I've had a couple of drinks, but I gotta admit - it's not a good habit to get into!

Original Post by schnooder:

I smoked a ton of cloves when I was 17.

It's not stupid it's just what teenagers do.

I also smoked alot of pot, took alot of acid, and snorted alot of things

But hey, thats growing up

Ditto, ditto, and ditto.

Cloves are tasty, and give you a little buzz (especially if you're normally a non-smoker).  I used to get the Djarum Blacks.  Mmmm, tasty.

I haven't had one in ages.  The do make your lungs hurt if you have too many, so I actually think they're better than cigarettes in that way (not that they're any better for you, just that they are self limiting... so you won't really have a ton of them).

Original Post by kaffwynn:

 I actually think they're better than cigarettes in that way (not that they're any better for you, just that they are self limiting... so you won't really have a ton of them).

I agree, unless you start out with cloves and graduate to regular cigarettes.  Doesn't happen to everyone, but I know more than one person, myself included, who did.

Original Post by schnooder:

I smoked a ton of cloves when I was 17.

It's not stupid it's just what teenagers do.

I also smoked alot of pot, took alot of acid, and snorted alot of things

But hey, thats growing up

Funny, I didn't do any of that growing up. Stupid and 'what teenagers do' are often the same thing...such as doing acid and snorting things.

Unfortunately he's not like me and seems to do what his friends do/say/want.

Original Post by vicereine:

Original Post by schnooder:

I smoked a ton of cloves when I was 17.

It's not stupid it's just what teenagers do.

I also smoked alot of pot, took alot of acid, and snorted alot of things

But hey, thats growing up

Funny, I didn't do any of that growing up. Stupid and 'what teenagers do' are often the same thing...such as doing acid and snorting things.

Unfortunately he's not like me and seems to do what his friends do/say/want.

Well you missed out on that part of growing up then.

I didn't snort coke, drop acid or smoke anything as a teenager, and I didn't miss out on anything.  Frying your brain and risking death on an OD each time you do something stupid doesn't have to be part of growing up. 

that why I said you missed out on it. I didnt say it was a crucial part of growing up. I just said that they didnt go through that. My brain isnt fried and I didnt die. Im just fine

You're lucky!  I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, though!!

How could you recommend it if you have never done it? I have done alot of it and know alot of people that have to and nothing bad ever happened to any of them. As long as you dont do it everyday forever and do alot of it

I have known people who have died from it.  That is why I would not recommend it.  You were lucky.

Died from what?  Acid?  Coke?  Cloves?

hhahahah I dont think cloves.

Yeah, not cloves, LOL!  One was a coke OD and another from various prescription drugs at a "pharm party".    

I just think putting deadly toxic substances in your body is stupid, and really sad especially when a young life is cut short.  To each his own.

I didn't do any of that stuff when I was growing up either. Don't think I missed anything either.

I do understand the worry you have for your bother, though. As another mentioned, if he graduates from cloves to cigarettes, it's a horrible habit to break. I work with someone who had gastric bypass surgery. She also smokes a lot...she has to pop out back for a cigarette every half hour. (And then she only takes a couple puffs and comes back in...I mean, she only stays outside for about 60-90 seconds...I think it's a bit weird, but hey.) And while she's inside, she is snacking constantly and I think that's because she needs to be doing something when she's not smoking.

I had two in-laws that died of smoking related diseases. One, my father-in-law, was just heartbreaking to watch as he lingered, couldn't breathe and was begging to die at the end. Thankfully, my mother-in-law died quickly, but she was on oxygen during her last year (and smoking the whole time.) My dad smoked his whole life and died of cancer a year ago, but he was 81 so I don't know if the smoking hurt him that much.

So I understand that you don't want your brother to be stupid. And it is stupid. But there are some people who just HAVE to try it. They can't take anyone's word for it, they have to form their own opinions. Have you ever seen the "wet paint" sign and had to touch it anyway? You could talk to him and let him know that you think he's a bit smarter than that.

Just for the record... this thread has totally made me crave cloves for the past 2 days straight.

Oh how I miss my angst filled teenage years, smoking cloves and drinking coffee.  I was THIS close to buying some this afternoon.  Haha.

I smoked cloves for a while and now just the smell of them makes me want to hurl. The scent literally makes me so physically ill I cannot be around them.

So hopefully he gets that haha.

"How could you recommend it if you have never done it? I have done alot of it and know alot of people that have to and nothing bad ever happened to any of them. As long as you dont do it everyday forever and do alot of it"

I've also never done any of those things, and I definitely disagree that they are "just a part of growing up".  Not in my world.

I've also never driven drunk, aimed a loaded gun at anyone, street-surfed off a speeding car or played Russian Roulette.  I'm sure "a lot of people ... have and nothing bad ever happened to any of them."  However, I would not recommend that my brother (or anyone I care about) do any of these things, and would definitely try to talk them out of it.

Sometimes, stupid teenage things are just plain stupid and not everyone is lucky enought to get out intact.

And unfortunately, I have seen family members go through horrendously painful cancer deaths, so yeah, not sure what can be done, but I would be unhappy too like the OP if my bro were smoking ANYTHING.

Cloves are cloves man. He'll get over them.