I say you should not be taking Vitamins or Supplements!

TRY REDUCING YOUR V& S PILL CONSUMPTION AND SEE IF THERE IS ANY CHANGES THAT WILL DEVELOP.

I can say without a doubt, nobody should be taking vitamins or supplements if they are eating properly.  But yet, I see time and time again that even perfectly healthy people are taking these V & S pills.

The body definitely is affected by continuous over-dosing on these pills.  This hurts digestive organs and all this overage is not eliminated by the body.  It is stored in your fat cells, plugs the organs and coats the inside of your colon.  Then all this, helps leads to numerous other health problems including weight gain or loss.   Then you have consider doing cleanses more often!

If your getting all you need from food, the natural way, why take vitamins or supplements?

For example: Vitamin C is popular with most people.  So I ask, "do you drink orange juice, do you eat fruits and vegetables with Vitamin C?"  I always get a "yes" and then I say "why take vitamin C?"  Most have no idea and many just say "they do it because someone told them too."   The fact your body will suddenly have diarrhea from to much Vitamin C..is that healthy sign or a warning?

I am sure many of you will disagree, as pill popping is increasing almost daily.  The only item I think we should be taking "if we have a balanced diet!"  is garlic.  Maybe a multi-vitamin once a week if you feel you actually need it because your missing the proper foods.

Listen to your body!   Do you really think it would sooner get these V & S items by a pill or naturally out of food?

If you check on cc what your getting in nutriention from good food, you will see what I mean.  Then maybe skip that pill and let your body do what it was made to do.

Good health is achieved through common sense the natural way.

Canada's Food Guide

The amount of vitamin D provided by the food intake pattern recommended in the revised Food Guide does not meet the Adequate Intake (AI) established by the Institute of Medicine of the National Academies for individuals over 50 years of age. Meeting the Adequate Intake for those 51 years and over through food sources alone is almost impossible without recommending unrealistic daily amounts of some foods. 

Thus, Health Canada recommends that in addition to following Canada's Food Guide, all adults over the age of 50 should take a daily vitamin D supplement of 10 micrograms (400 IU).

Original Post by themassageguy:

The body definitely is affected by continuous over-dosing on these pills. 

citation please?

 Then you have consider doing cleanses more often!

I shall now cleanse 10 times as often. What's 10 x zero?

So I ask, "do you drink orange juice, do you eat fruits and vegetables with Vitamin C?" 

My orange juice has added Vitamin C, doesn't that count as a supplement?

 

 

What a reality check... thank you for opening my eyes! I'll go and put those V & S back into their bottles right now!!

P.S. Can I just take CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid) to help me lose weight?

A can of sardines has 110% of a young adult's daily quota of Vitamin D, using Health Canada standards. But what weirdo eats a can a day of sardines? Well, I eat half a can. But I think the point is that you have to have really weird eating habits to get all your nutrients consistently from your diet.

EDIT: Vitamin D is of particular concern to Canadians because we can't get it from the sun during the 6 or 8 months a year we're bundled up against the cold.

I can see the point of view here but I think it is a little misguided.

First of all, to my knowledge, nothing is stored in the colon except waste that has not passed through the system. There are vitamins that are stored in the liver and kidneys. This may be bad if one is consuming many more times the vitamin than needed. But simple supplementation with a daily vitamin is not going to cause this. Toxic levels are usually found when someone is taking thousands of times what they need.

Unfortunately some mediations cause vitamin deficiencies. I see no reason to judge someone for taking vitamins when they need it. And some vitamins do not get absorbed in the system in the presence of other vitamins. Iron, for example, is not absorbed in the presence of calcium.

Finally some vitamins are only fat soluble.

So the problem with the food only approach is that one would need to do more than just be sure they are eating the right foods in the right quantity. One would have to know the right combinations and timing for those foods. That would mean planning on a level that makes building sky scrapers seem easy. I dont know anyone who has this much time on their hands.

I think what bothers me about this post most is not the suggestion that people dont need to pop so many vitamins. In truth most people probably dont if their diets are reasonable. But I am bothered by the tone suggesting that no one ever needs to take extra supplementation when their medications or diseases may mean that they do!

The comment about "healthy people taking vitamins when they dont need to" is also a bit short sighted. These people may be healthy because they DO take those vitamins.

Its a bit like arguing that a thin person does not need to eat salad because they are thin. Obviously they are thin because they eat salad.

You know vitamins were invented because humans recognized that getting everything the body needed from diet was not always possible, From the British Navy putting lemon in rum water (grog) to stave off scurvy, to the vitamins in breakfast cereal, vitamins are around because humans need them!

Also consider that though it appears we have a wide variety of food available to us all year long, this is really an illusion. Produce that is shipped in out of season can be very cost prohibitive. I dont live any where near an orange producing state. In fact, where I live the only foods available to me most of the year (naturally) would be meat, eggs, milk and stored veggies (not fresh). I am lucky that imported produce is available to me. But I can not always afford to buy them.

Sorry for the rant.

i agree with the vitamine C BUT everyone needs to take age and life circumstances into account. many people take minerals which a different issues especially for vegetarians/vegans.

ask your doctor or nutritionist.

Oh, vegetarians! Vitamins D and B12 aren't found in veggies. And a number of minerals (I can think of iron and calcium) are easy to get from meat and dairy but are only found in a limited selection of vegetables. Vegans aren't going to give up their lifestyle just so they can get all their nutrition from their diet.

I do not recommend overdoing supplements of any sort, but I think a good multivitamin is a good idea for anyone.  It is difficult for anyone to get completely well rounded nutrition every day by diet alone, and very hard for anyone on a restricted calorie plan for weight loss.  A good multi helps fill in the corners.   There are also supplements that help specific problems, which is also very useful.  I, for example, had a disc in my back that was half the size it should have been and it caused a great deal of pain.  My Chiropractor suggested supplementing with Glucosamine and Chondroitin, and that disc grew back.  I'm now pain free, and all thanks to a healthful supplement instead of painful and expensive surgery.  Vitamins and supplements can be overused, but they can also be a useful part of a healthy life.

Massageguy- I find your posts to be more focused on causing a fuss than on trying to share information and experience.  Are you unhappy unless involved in a little drama?

Original Post by plaidpooka:

I do not recommend overdoing supplements of any sort, but I think a good multivitamin is a good idea for anyone.  It is difficult for anyone to get completely well rounded nutrition every day by diet alone, and very hard for anyone on a restricted calorie plan for weight loss.  A good multi helps fill in the corners.   There are also supplements that help specific problems, which is also very useful.  I, for example, had a disc in my back that was half the size it should have been and it caused a great deal of pain.  My Chiropractor suggested supplementing with Glucosamine and Chondroitin, and that disc grew back.  I'm now pain free, and all thanks to a healthful supplement instead of painful and expensive surgery.  Vitamins and supplements can be overused, but they can also be a useful part of a healthy life.

Massageguy- I find your posts to be more focused on causing a fuss than on trying to share information and experience.  Are you unhappy unless involved in a little drama?

 plaidpooka-My sentiments exactly.

Original Post by plaidpooka:

Massageguy- I find your posts to be more focused on causing a fuss than on trying to share information and experience.  Are you unhappy unless involved in a little drama?

i think massageguy is under the delusion that he is the host of an infomercial.

Original Post by pgeorgian:

Original Post by plaidpooka:

Massageguy- I find your posts to be more focused on causing a fuss than on trying to share information and experience.  Are you unhappy unless involved in a little drama?

i think massageguy is under the delusion that he is the host of an infomercial.

Plus, if you act now....

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I work steady midnights, so in the winter months, September thru May in Canada, I do not see enough sun to get my Vitamin D.

I also work with the public handling money, which can sometimes be passed by a person who has just blown their nose with their hand.  I wash my hands often at work, but I also take EmergenC to help keep away the cold germs.

I never get enough iron from my diet, usually about 50% of my daily recommended dose.  So I take a supplement for that.

My skin is very dry, so I take vitamin E to help with it, because I don't think that the scale look is in vogue at anytime.

Even with supplements, I do not get enough calcium and it shows in my nails.  Being lactose intolerant is not a good thing and I know every non dairy food that has calcium in it.  I still don't get enough from them.

I check my daily values at the end of everyday and adjust my supplements accordingly.  If you know me at all you will realize that I am a very healthy food consumer.  I can tell you the nutrients in almost every food that there is.  I am also aware that in this day in age of over farming a plot of land that most of our foods do not contain the nutrients that they did forty years ago.  Even other Nature needs some help.

So many just take vitamins for no reason and there is nothing wrong with them at all!

You know those people..they eat properly, are fit and still have 5 or more pills they take every day.  Ask them why?  They will quote the scientific reasons for doing it...which is true.. however it is the bodies job to utilize and introduce what is needed from real food!

Why take more than the body needs if your getting it from food? 

A medical examination, blood test is the best way to see if you have any deficiencies.

I live North of Ottawa Canada and have not had a cold in years but I do eat a lot more fruits and vegetables with Vitamin C, in the winter.  I drink more water and keep my home from getting to dry.  That is common sense! 

However if I feel I have caught something..I will then pop the pills...more garlic, Vit C,  B complex etc.  I also drink more water and wear more clothing. Common sense!

So yes, there is a time for V & S's...but not all year round, every day, when you do not need it!

All these artificial V & S taken is transferred thru your blood to the brain and all vital organs.   Think about it..your body is designed to extract/utilize what your body needs to live on from, food and water! 

Your brain requires an exact amount nutrition to operate properly.  Our body has evolved to control that amount that is needed, from food...not from artificial sources. 

Listen to your body:  Overdosing on V & S is not normal..what do you think happens when that comes thru the brain, in the blood?  Do you think your brain says, "oh, I will just ignore this!"

Your vital organs that have the job to utilizing or metabolizing these needed nutrients from food and water; will also be confused by the surplus you put in there.  

These organs have no other option but to cut back their normal functions.  Then you will start to get other  problems in these organs including the brain and then wonder why it happened.

It is our individual choice...I just want people to listen to their body and not others who say..take these vitamins and supplements..because you need them!   They do not know your body!!

If your taking these V & S's and are on a balanced diet and proper amount of water.

....try cutting back on them and see if there is/are any changes..good or bad.

...then please, let me know!

i take a multi, iron, and D in winter.  i have good reasons.  i'm not going to stop because some yahoo on the internet lectures me.

Massageguy, you’ve said some interesting things in your two posts.

“I can say without a doubt, nobody should be taking vitamins or supplements if they are eating properly.” (post 1)

“However if I feel I have caught something..I will then pop the pills...more garlic, Vit C,  B complex etc.”  (post 2)

Perhaps what has caused folks here to disagree with what you’ve had to say, is the brash way you made your opening statement.  There’s a big difference between “nobody should be taking vitamins and supplements” and the fact that you yourself take them when you feel they are necessary.  A less inflammatory opening statement would have been “Vitamins and supplements should not be overused”, but that’s not at all what you said in your first post.  Think before you post.  Avoid rash blanket statements.  Then you will encourage an intelligent discussion instead of a group of people getting honestly miffed by your seemingly all or nothing attitude.

THE EXCESSES IN CONSUMPTION OF VITAMINS AND SUPPLEMENTS ARE REAL!  WE CAN FIND IT ALL IN NON DIARY AND NON RED MEAT TOO!

Not many people know about nutrition or the real vegan diets.  A Vegan knows where to find all needed vitamins without popping a lot of pills!

Go ahead  "google any of the vitamins" and do so some serious research because they are in none dairy and red meat foods/products.  

  You ever heard of eating grains!!  One of the highest sources of Vitamin B12 is in Breakfast Cereals.."Bran".  Nowadays many prepared foods we can safely eat...have the necessary vitamins added, in amounts that are no were near what people take in pill form!!

So I stand by what I say ...we do not need to be taking the V & S's in pills form to the extremes many people, including many vegans, are doing.

Massageguy: 10 people a year die from overdoing vitamins.  Usually iron, which is actually a metal.  So, yanno - there you go.

Millions die a year from poor diet, malnourishment, heart disease, and failing organs from, get this, not getting proper vitamins and supplements in their diets. 

I think i'll stick with the statistics.  They keep me alive. 

Resources:

http://www.doctoryourself.com/vitsafety.html

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_a wsi_death_01.htm

http://forums.50connect.co.uk/index.php?showt opic=197

I am anemic so i take iron supplements.

I have an autoimmune disorder that causes inflammation in my intestines that can affect the way my body absorbs nutrients so I take a multi-vitamin for a bit of an extra boost.

I eat very little dairy because of this disorder so I also take calcium and vitamin D supplements.

Finally, I take a fish oil supplement along with my prescription anti-inflammatories, because fish oil has anti-inflammatory properties.

I eat many fruits and vegetables whole grains and lean meats.  I do not eat much junk.  Aside from the dairy I get what is considered a pretty darn healthy and varied diet.  I take supplements because I have certain health conditions that require me to do so.

Original Post by themassageguy:

THE EXCESSES IN CONSUMPTION OF VITAMINS AND SUPPLEMENTS ARE REAL!  WE CAN FIND IT ALL IN NON DIARY AND NON RED MEAT TOO!

Not many people know about nutrition or the real vegan diets.  A Vegan knows where to find all needed vitamins without popping a lot of pills!

Go ahead  "google any of the vitamins" and do so some serious research because they are in none dairy and red meat foods/products.  

  You ever heard of eating grains!!  One of the highest sources of Vitamin B12 is in Breakfast Cereals.."Bran".  Nowadays many prepared foods we can safely eat...have the necessary vitamins added, in amounts that are no were near what people take in pill form!!

So I stand by what I say ...we do not need to be taking the V & S's in pills form to the extremes many people, including many vegans, are doing.

     

 You have been asked repeatedly for references or for your credentials that entitle you to make medical diagnoses of people you've never met.  Please state your credentials.  If you are simply promoting your ego, please stop.  Self promotion is against the guidelines.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to get my medical and nutritional advice from credentialed, licensed professionals, not some unknown guy who can barely write English.

I agree with being mindful of what we are putting into our bodies and not just popping pills without thinking....but some people have very valid reasons for taking these supplements and for the average person in this busy world it's not always going to be easy to get all the important nutrients we need day in day out through food. And personal medical factors are another consideration...dairy products upset my stomach and so I find it hard to get 100% of my calcium requirements every day even with soy products...so of course I'm going to take a calcium supplement for that. Rather that than osteoporosis!