Wagon Jumpers - October 12 - 18th, 2008 (Closed, Waiting List Available)
Welcome
(We are currently at 30 members and 1 invitations. If you are interested in joining the waiting list please read below and e-mail me)
Welcome to the Wagon Jumpers weekly thread. We are a group of CC members who have identified that one of our main challenges with achieving our weight loss, maintenance or general health goals is consistency.
This thread is designed to encourage long term commitment to our goals by publicly declaring them and asking the other members of this thread to hold us accountable.
Each member on this thread (listed below) has agreed to check into the thread at least once per week. If any member does not check in by the end of the week, we ask all members to politely and positively PM that member and encourage them to make a post and stay on track (or get back on track).
If you would like to be a member of this thread please see the guidelines below and send me a PM if you are still interested (there may be a waiting list).
Why is the participation capped?
The original idea of Wagon Jumpers was to create a close community where participants could get to know each other and hopefully form virtual-life and perhaps even physical-life bonds to create a support network as they attempted long term weight loss.
Over the first few weeks we experimented with an "open to all" concept and found that the thread became too long and confusing and as a result no one got to know each other and it became too much work for many members.
With a mid sized group (30) I am hoping to maintain the community and supportive goals of the original thread, and have enough people that if we are not all daily posters (as the only requirement is a weekly post) that the thread is still motivational and has new content day to day.
Interested in Joining?
General Guidelines for Joining
1. Are you a wagon jumper?
Do you know how to loose weight, you often have success but then you find yourself loosing interest in your plan, or sabotaging your plan. It's not the "how" to loose weight that is the problem, it's the "how" to stay motivated.
2. Do you have a long way to go?
This group is designed so that members can get to know each other and support each other. Ideally you are planning to be a CC member and part of this forum for at least 6 months or more to achieve your goals and hopefully stay in motivation for a further 6 months or more.
Yes. This is, a long term plan.
Still interested? Send Supersized a PM.
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12 WEEK CONSISTENCY GOALS
(as set w/o July 27th, 2008)
By October 19th, I will be...
2/3 of the way through phase II of my plan. That is have 4 weeks left until I can say that I have been eating at 1500 cal & exercising 4x/week at 2hrs/day for 12 consecutive weeks.
Drinking 100oz fluid daily, at least 3 trips a week to the gym and 2 trips will include strength training!
Running 3 times a week consistently. I will also be drinking 4 500ml bottles of water every day in 12 weeks.
Or be on course to meet each of my monthly biking goals (August 240 miles, September 350 miles, and October 280 miles), and I will have done the 60 mile course of the NYC MS Bike Tour on 10/5/08, despite the nasty 2 mile hill that's right in the middle of the course!
Going to the gym for 1 1/2 hours 5x per week. Cardio for 45 min and strength training for 45 min.
I will be working out 3 evenings a week.
Journaling my food intake daily and drinking a quart of water a day.
I will update my logs accurately and consistently, and exercise regularly; cardio 3x/week and strength training 3x/week
Working out 5x week. These exercise will include biking, running, dance lessons, weights, etc. I will be eating 24 grams of fiber consistent 1500-2000.
Previous Threads:
Wagon Jumpers - October 5 - 11th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers - September 28 - October 4th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers - September 21 - 27th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers September 14-20th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers September 7-13th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers August 31 - September 6th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers August 24 - 30th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers August 17 - 23rd, 2008
Wagon Jumpers August 10 - 16th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers August 2 - 9th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers July 27 - August 2nd, 2008
Wagon Jumpers July 20 - 26th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers July 6 - July 21st, 2008 (another, two week special!)
Wagon Jumpers June 22 - July 5th, 2008 (two week special!)
Wagon Jumpers June 15-21, 2008
Wagon Jumpers May 25 - 31, 2008
Wagon Jumpers May 18 - 24, 2008
Wagon Jumpers Week 1 (May 4 - 10)
Wagon Jumpers - Anyone Need a Lift? (initial thread)
As always all members are encouraged to tag this thread so that it is easy to find.
PHASE 2 MODIFIER - DOES THIS WORK?
Okay, my phase 2 is supposed to be:
Eat at 1500 cal/day average (averaged across a week) exercise 4x / week for 2 hrs each time.
If I miss a week I am supposed to deduct half of the weeks already achieved rounded up.
I am this week realizing that with Thanksgiving, Election Party and Harvest Dinner all in one week I am not going to be able to reach a 1500 cal/day average. What I can do if I really stick to a healthy-eating plan as much as possible is reach maintenance calories.
I am thinking:
Option 1: Follow the plan above and deduct half of the weeks achieved. A goal is a goal and I missed it.
Option 2: Aim for maintenance calories, if I can eat maintenance I do not get to add another week as successfully achieved, but I also do not need to deduct half of the weeks achieved.
Option 3: Aim for maintenance calories, if I can eat maintenance I only deduct 1/4 of the weeks achieved instead of half.
Which sounds most reasonable?
Sara...
I think we all have to learn how to deal with the special occasions without feeling like its an all or none choice. All - your #1 choice or none - your #2 choice... I like the moderation of #3. But that is all personal opinion. What I wouldn't want you to set in your mind is this is a "punishment" of some type. In reality, BEFORE, you would have (as us all) gone much more out of control. To be aware and cognisant of your eating habits is our final goal. In the end, to make a fully aware, informed choice. Like your post a couple weeks ago... instead of "I couldn't" being fully aware and knowing that it is "I chose not to".
You are doing fabulous on changing your life habits! Thanks for moderating such a valuable group!
-_Susan
12 Week Goals
My big three areas are Water Intake, Exercise & Diet in that order. I find that if I don't hydrate enough, I can't do my running training. If I don't do my running training I feel defeated and let it affect my strength training. Diet: I have a pretty good hold on Monday - Friday. The weekends are the variable in it all. So I'm setting my goals based upon that knowledge.
Goals:
I am already drinking 60 oz per day and want to increase that to 100 oz per day.
I easily maintain 1200-1500 calroies per day, Monday through Friday. I'd will begin to monitor and evaluate what I eat more closely on the weekends to ensure that I meet those guidelines.
I will continue to train for the 8k on Nov. 15th, at which time my goal is to jog/run the whole thing, no matter what speed, with no walking. I plan to strength train 3-4 times per week in addition to the running training.
I know you asked for limited, but I do have goals set for the running I'd like to include in the post for reference even if they have to be edited out for goal posting:
5k: DONE!
8k: Nov. 15th (4.97miles)
10k: Nov. 27th (6.21miles)
10 miles: January 1
1/2 marathon: March 17 - my 39th birthday! (13.1 miles)
Marathon: September 2009 26.2 miles!
Sara - I will agree with sjenn. It is a celebration, enjoy it! While yes there is cause to be cautious, there is no need for punishment. If you know in your mind you are not going to make it a permanent habit, and you have enough self-control to return to what you have developed as your normal behaviour, then you really should not be hard on yourself. Enjoy it, you will recover. I would go for Option 2. LOL! I believe you have "anticipated with purpose" the holidays, and well in advance also. I believe you, as well as the rest of us are aware that "they are what they are". Just be who you are... an intelligent, confident woman who knows how to enjoy life with moderation, and you are also so much much more. Don't sweat it so much that you don't have some fun. Life is about living, and what fun would it be if we didn't live it to the fullest? (By our individual definition, that is... heheh!) You get my point, I'll stop rambling...
sjenn - I am getting such a slow start with working exercise into my life, that I am not sure the marathons are in my near future. I have some building to do with my body, even though I wish I could run a marathon right now, and I WILL run a small one sometime in the next year! BUT I wanted you to know I ADMIRE you for sticking with it!
Goals for this week:
Same as last week. Repeating due to missing exercise goal.
Hugs to all, and Happy Healthgain,
~Julie
Hey Sara, I'm back. Sorry I was on vacation and forgot to mention I'd be away. I'm in NS to answer your question about location. I have been watching the political debates and have to say there's no outstanding front runner but I was impressed by Elizabeth Day as she seemed well informed and had facts to back up her statements.
As for my commitment to my goals, it's been lacking. However I think I might have turned a corner. My husband appears to be on board the healthy eating weightloss train. He is having a hard time with his clothes not fitting right (as am I) so we are both going to commit to the change. I have to admit I can't blame him for my faltering but it will sure help having him working on this as well.
We have decided to try the South Beach diet as a new lifestyle. It is honestly just healthy eating and I think we're both midley allergic to processed flour etc as it causes problems with both our systems. I just started on it today as I didn't want to worry about eating stuffing, potatoes etc on Thanksgiving (which was totally yummy, we did Thanksgiving just the 2 of us this year, very nice).
Fitness - I am committed to getting back on target with my running and weight training. I think with the focus on being productive in all areas of my life (laid a hardwood floor this weekend as well, boy was that a lot of work), making the committment to eat better and exercise daily should be easier.
Well I must get back to work but I will endeavor to spend a few minutes on here daily and will let you know my progress through the South Beach way of life :)
Alrighty, I'm back as well! the vacation has been done with, as has Thanksgiving, and though the first half was pretty overindulgent, the second half was a more reasonable. Though my calories were still much higher than I'd like, I was able to make sure that each day I was not actually on the road I got some activity in. At least 20 minutes of getting my heart rate up.
Today I am back home, watching my calories and back to the gym. I'll be thinking about the 12-week goals to post next time, and looking for ways to build myself a porgram that is flexible enough for the stressful or out of whack times, but still an actual program with actual structure 
Also, I think I am not going to weigh myself this week. I will give myself a week to get back on track before I see how much damage was done on Vacation.
This week's been crazy for me, but here's my favorite move!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkKvgoQWkb4
Yep - no lie, my favorite move is the deadlift.
New rules of lifting is an amazing program - i've really learned how strong i am and have also learned how to listen to my body. Not to mention - it feels good to be able to eat more.
I'm going to think hard about the goals for next week - though i think i have a good idea of what it will be already.
Hi all, Checking in myself. This week has been pretty good except my son's birthday is today but he wants to go out tomorrow for Mexican - EEEK. He also requested a Dairy Queen cake double - EEEK. He is usually a great eater making healthful choices but he is also a 14 yo boy who is 6 foot tall and weighs all of 125 soaking wet
I will try to have a game plan before we go.
As to fitness goals -I just started back with Pilate's -not a class but a DVD. I used to get a lot out of the classes but they got to be too expensive and I dropped out. I got a DVD and will start to do this as a routine. I had a abdominal hysterectomy in April and have found out I have no muscle tone in my abs. What a bummer
I could not even do the simplest of the exercises but the DVD shows modified positions which I will do until I get some strength back.
It's funny that you don't realize exactly how weak your muscles are until you try to isolate a group. No matter how much I weighed, I still had pretty good muscle tone especially in my abs. ( I'm an pear and hold my weight below my waist.) That will be one of my fitness goals is to get so strength back in them.
Happy belated Thanksgiving to all the Canadians!
Jen
Hi again, I am just a little confused, I am not sure what I am supposed to write next, and I don't wnat to mess up, it seems like everything is all established... Do I change my goals to 2 now, or next weigh in... And do I have to post a change in weight, or no... Just a little daunting.
Just saying hi, have been away from cc and counting for a bit. I was spending a bit too much time on the whole enterprise, without really the results I wanted. I need to think about my goals, and stuff. I need to think about alot of things. So I'll check in again next week.
Fitness wise I've been walking really alot the past weekend, really need to drag my butt to the swimming pool, still been putting it off, even though I know once I start I really enjoy it.
12-Week Goals MUST be posted on NEXT week's thread!
Looks like I've confused some people with the Goal thing. I wanted to give everyone a heads up that NEXT week will be the beginning of a 12-week goal setting session. This is a great week to ask questions about the goals you want to set or discuss what you think they should look like. However I will not be cross referencing this thread when I post next week's goals (too much work). So if you think you have some great goals already set in this thread, make sure to copy and past them into next week so that I capture them in the introduction post.
Susan Thanks for the advice I think I like number 3 as well, although unless I get myself in gear then I'm still going to overshoot the maintenance. It's not about punishment for me in this context it's about trying to find that balance between the all or nothing mentality. On the one hand I want to be strict enough that if I'm not seeing results I can legitimately say the program needs to be adjusted. On the other hand I know that the best way to fail is to be so strict that I don't leave room for life as it happens.
On your 12-week goals. Remember this is a week for thought and discussion if you think you have your goals set then make sure to post them NEXT week.
On your prioritization I am sure that many of us have goals in addition to the 12-week consistency goals that we post. These mini-goals or alternate goals keep us going and motivated. I am trying to keep the goals limited to a short sentence that is easily articulated and does not include the world as that tends to lead to failure. Remember overachieving is better than feeling like you failed.
As I read your post you have 4 clear goals with none of them as a maintenance goal. As you have them right now I would post 1 & 2. My suggestion would be to take 3 out as it's not really a consistency goal, it's a finite fitness goal which does go towards your overall goals, and you may be training for a 10K after November, but unless you want to change it to ongoing running training I think it can be a personal rather than 12-week goal. If you want me to replace either 1 or 2 with 4 next week then make sure to post them in a different order on next week's thread.
1. Increase water intake to 100 oz per day
2. Incorporate weekend meals into 1200 - 1500 cal/day weekly average.
3. Run 8k with no walking.
4. Strength train 3-4 times per week.
Julie I like #2 but I think I need to go with #3. Not to punish myself. One of my challenges is as I slowly let things drop, not using the food scale, let calories slide up, order out too much. Then I think that I'm doing 'the plan' but I'm not seeing results, so then I think I need a new plan instead of realizing I likely just need to be consistent on the first one. So I think if I am doing something that is not likely to produce results then I need to give myself the extra time to reset my body to producing results so that by the end of the phase there are some clear results, or I really do need a new plan.
Raven I have to admit I don't know much about South Beach Diet, I have the vague impression that it's similar to Atkins. Personally I've stayed away from any marketed form of Diet just due to the stigma around "diet" and feeling that I will just think of it as a temporary change. Congratulations on having a great diet partner to keep each other motivated.
Slymenestra Welcome back, I hope the vacation was good. Great job on doing something to increase your HR each day that is amazing on vacation! If you have any questions about the goal setting let us know.
MsMeg I'm still nervous about the deadlift, I'm afraid of trying some of the heavier lifts (deadlifts, thrusts, cleans) without supervision, but at the same time I want to be able to do these things myself. Does the NROLFW give you a good sense of confidence in your form and technique?
Jen I hope you had a great time with your son on his b-day. I know exactly what you mean about not realizing how weak your muscles are until you isolate them. I can hardly believe how hard it is for me to do a push-up. On the other hand that alone seems to be motivation for me to keep going to the gym.
Bigbitty Don't worry about 'messing up' very little is actually established here. I put a few rules around goal setting that we do as a group because the last time I did it people posted so many goals across so many weeks and kept changing them that I put in a part-time jobs worth of trying to edit everyones goals. And, seeing as this is volunteer only time I need to be a bit stricter with how we do the goals so that I don't go blind trying to please everyone.
You NEVER have to post your weight, or weight loss on this thread. Personally I have not seen a scale since February. I swore off scales until I could establish consistent eating and exercise patterns in my life. This is because I found that a trigger for wagon jumping for me was the scale. If the scale was not moving downwards fast enough, or worse yet moving up. I would jump into starvation which was followed up by a binge and then a loss of a few months until I came up with a new plan.
That being said some people find the scale and the numbers motivating. So people can post them but it is never a requirement.
The goal are also not a requirement. The goals will be next week's weekly topic and will be put into the introduction post like the ones from July currently are. You can choose if you want to participate in the goals it is not mandatory. Some people find them motivating, some don't. So it's really up to you.
On your goals in particular it looks like you have 4 goals:
1. Drink 2.5L of water / day.
2. Eat calorie-controlled meals.
3. Exercise 4x / week.
4. Do 2, 30 min. sessions of taebo/week.
Here are the questions I would ask you about your goals:
I would suggest defining your calorie-controlled meals. As it stands it is a qualitative rather than quantitative goal. When goals do not have success measurements built in then we tend to say we passed them or failed them based on our mood without any hard data to back that pass or fail up.
You can make this a quantitative goal by saying any of the following:
2. I will establish how what my average cal/day intake is and reduce that by 100 calories per week, in 12 I will be eating a cal/day average of ____.
or
2. I will eat calorie controlled meals in the range of ______ to _____ per day.
or
2. I will eat an average of _________ cal/day.
On your 4th goal the taebo, is that included in the 4x exercise per week or is that in addition to?
Finally one of the limits I set on posting peoples goals was that I would only post 2 consistency based goals. Right now you have 4, so I would need you to think how you want to prioritize those. Keep in mind that just because I'm only posting two doesn't mean you don't want to and can't work on all 4.
Jane Effort without results sucks. I don't want to come off as harsh here, but one pattern I've noticed from you is that you are very dedicated for a couple of weeks and then nowhere to be found for a few weeks. From my end I'd say you're in some pretty classic wagon jumping behaviour. Can you lower your expectations of yourself when you are engaged, so that you don't feel like you're putting too much effort in for no results. And, then hopefully find it easier to stick around for longer, consistent periods of time which should give you some results to hand onto.
We had our election last night. I had too much to eat.
On the election front things could have gone better and they could have gone worse. I'm happy that we have a conservative minority as opposed to a conservative majority. In fact I think I'd like to see more minorities in parliament. Canadian's sometimes complain that nothing gets done in a minority government, but I think that is the Canadian public not holding our politicians accountable. It's true in a minority government the parties need to work together to get legislation passed, instead of the majority government where that party does what it likes for four years. I figure if you are a politician negotiation skills need to be at the top of your skill set, so go use them and represent the whole country not just the small fraction that voted for you.
On the not so good front we had our lowest voter turn out in over 100 years. Many people were undecided and did not come out. There was also quite a scandal with poor people being turned away at the polls because they did not have photo ID which was required this year. Many showed up with bags of mail, bank statements and leases and were still turned away. I thought that was shameful.
The Green party also did not do as well as expected, we remain without seats this election and were victims of strategic voting yet again. Proportional representation would be a great thing for this country.
The good news on the health front is that I got a tonne of exercise walking to the different polling stations scrutineering. I'm exhausted this morning and I'm not going to attempt the gym today. I can still make my exercise requirements between Thursday and Saturday.
Today is the Harvest Dinner, a local chef, local food and girl friends. I think the struggle is on to keep this a maintenance week. Even that will be hard.
Hello All,
Thank you for letting me join the group. I think it would be great motivation.
A little bit about me: F/29/ weight 138.8 as of today juggling between 138- 140 since 6 months. I hit the gym 3-4 times a week and other days I go for long walks which wud probably end in a while with the winters heading...so it wud be all gym. I started this RFFL program 2 weeks ago. Its nice but have'nt lost anything yet but my legs definitely feel more strong.
I always plan to eat in the range of 1300-1500 cals depending but I definitely go beyond which is the reason I am not able to lose weight. I barely reach 8 glasses of water everyday and I know I need to drink more water. I am not fond of sodas or sweet drinks. I sure like strawberry smoothie which I have like every other day.
This is my 1st post and I am not sure what else I need to write...please let me know if any other info is required.
have a good day everyone.
Sara - I know what you mean about the word "diet" and trust me I am against the idea of trying diets and falling off. However, the South Beach program is actually a lifestyle and really from what you have said about your own food choices sounds like you're really doing South Beach as well since they advocate "real food", healthy vegetables, fruits, whole grains (and here's the one difference, lean meats, fish and poultry for us meat eaters). I find I have a sugar addiction at times and it's only the first 2 weeks that you're restricted to level our your blood sugar and curb your cravings. Actually you don't even have to do the first stage if you don't want, you can just jump into phase 2 which is all the things I listed above. Starches also reek havoc on my system (white flour, potatoes, bread) from time to time so limiting those is also good for me. Today I'm having a yummy meal of lentils and chicken. Tonight I'll have salmon and salad.
On the election. I think it's dreadful that they turned people away. I still don't have everything changed on my id's to my married name (btw, married a little over 3 years now haha), and I was able to use my cable bill, maybe because I'm in a small town???? I am very disappointed with the Canadian public as we once again have a Conservative government and I can't say I agree with many of their choices. At least I know I didn't contribute to getting Harper elected again. I was also disappointed but not surprised that Elizabeth May did not win her seat. I found her very well spoken and had facts to back up her statements, unlike others.
Well enough on that, I need to finish my lunch :)
Hey guys....so my favorite new exercise is spin classes......I burn over 1000 calories in one class.....
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Pink_Panther There are only two requirements of the group, those are to post at least once per week (you've done that) and the other is to make sure you send a motivational e-mail to anyone who has not posted by Saturday and ends up on the MIA list next week.
Other than that feel free to share as much as you want, as little as you want and ask as many questions as you want. I've generally found that the more active people are on the thread the more success they are having. I don't think it's the thread per say, just that they are in-tune with their health and fitness goals and this reflects in a higher activity on the thread.
For myself I've found the more I put into it the more I get out of it. Generally knowing I need to come here and be accountable to everyone has helped me stay on track for the most part, and when I have fallen off the wagon I'm picking myself up much faster now than I was in the past.
For next week we will be talking about goals. Sounds like you are doing your exercise well, so you may want to think about challenging yourself to keep the exercise going while eating an average of your high range of calories, or maybe you just want to get yourself into the practice of consistency.
The jist of it is to make the group what you need it to be.
Raven As diets go I have to say I've heard the name South Beach thrown around more by people I think have their heads screwed on straight and over a much longer period of time than any other 'fad' diet. I figure a good diet should teach you health eating habits for life that in the end when you are 'off the diet' it simply means you don't need their cookbook anymore because you've taught yourself how to eat well.
I'm still on the fence about Elizabeth May running against Peter McKay, on the one hand there are no safe ridings for a party that currently is not seated (except for the person who crossed the floor). On the other hand Peter McKay was ambitious because he was very locally popular and the Maritimes like the old style conservatives. I'm glad Harper doesn't have a majority, I think like most Canadians I don't trust any of them to run the country unchecked at the moment. I just hope they give us enough time between elections for people to get out of election fatigue and for the parties to rebuild. We are quickly becoming the Italy of the First Past the Post System.
Amber I did one spin class and loved it, they just don't happen at a good time for me, but if that changes they are near the top of my favourites list as classes go.
It was bound to happen, all these weeks of exercising and when I decided to bite the bullet and get back on the minitramp to get a whole body work out I overdid and pulled a calf muscle!! AAGH! the thing is I didn't really feel it until I was through so now I am walking very slow and with a limp... I hurt all over with that exercise... so back to the stationary bike and walks for me until this can ease up.
I have been trying so many new foods, eating healthier...I tried Kale for the 1st time last night..I have seen Rachael Ray cook with it LOTS and she always makes it look ok..yeah..I cooked it last night like I saw her do the night before and I am thinking either I did something wrong or I am not going to be a kale eater..very very chewy. especially the curled ends..Does anyone know if this is how it was supposed to turn out? The DH was so very cute about it...took one bite and said if I wanted to continue making kale to please make him a PB&J sandwich instead. IT WAS AWFUL!
My water intake has been very good..between 80-120 oz now a day.
I am going to try the stretching videos that I have seen here on CC+ to try and stave off more pulls in the future.
Hope everyone has a great day
Rpete As a vegetarian and someone who generally loves dark leafy greens, I'm not entirely sure that Kale is edible, it's supposed to be a great cancer preventative, but I cannot force myself to eat that. BTW on another side of awful cures, runners often put themselves into an ice bath after running to get the muscles to 'relax' or at least let go.
Group Size?
We lost two of our founding members this week as they are feeling it is too much to keep up with reading the thread. So I will put this out there for everyone. Is the group too large? Should we bring the group down in size to 20 people?
For those that want to bring the group down in size, don't worry no one gets kicked out, I just don't open the list when we drop below 30 people I would keep the waiting list closed until we get to 19 people.
For my part I am happy with 30 people in that it's not difficult to manage the group for me at this number. I would also be happy with 20 very active members if that will make most people feel more comfortable in the group and trying to read through the thread.
Sara.
So you can log your weight -- which allows you to do the following:
- Plot your weight curve
- Analyze the trend of your weight (see under Recent in the figure above)
- Determine the projected target date (see under Overall in the figure above)