Zeitgeist Movie
I just watched the most eye opening video of my life. I challenge any and all to view it -- and come back with your take on it.
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Hey folks, nice blog you have here. I am Tim, the one who has been causing so much controversy on the web about the movie.
I guess I invite it when I am so outspoken. No I don't have a problem with anger and usually don't get so, though what has happened with our political situation has gotten me to that. i have watched it for years corrupted by pseudo-progressives, the real leaders of our party. I wrote this blurb in response to their attacks on me.
I hope this will open eyes and strengthen resolves.
I have also included the plan and directions for this revolution.
let me know what you think. Tim
Tim from Zeitgeist Says:
Well just what have you done lately to change the world? You claim vitriol but claim waking up a complacent public. You want nicy nice words but what has it gotten you?
I have done what you have never dreamed of doing in promoting Zeitgeist and giving suggestion as to what direction to take. You told Peter that I claimed to have helped make it, NO such thing ever came from me. I have only been giving reason and direction to this revolution.
I truly believe the people you represent are the same ones who didn?t like Howard Dean for kicking asses and just look at the way you put the looser Kerry into play. By the way I knew he was your favorite from the start and I also knew he had no stomach for victory.
You don?t like me because I am telling about your kind like it is and pointing out your kinds failure after failure after failure at changing what has been going on. I have watched you do nothings loose the people their civil rights, their freedoms their government, their everything.
You are the reason for the failure of this Democracy.
I watched the Democratic Party for years choose intellectuals who may have been good men but because they had no appeal to the rest of us they were bound to lose.
You chose to have people like yourselves as candidates from the East coast with 0 appeal. You have deluded yourselves into thinking you are the only ones to govern even though your failures are uncountable.
I call your kind Pseudo-Progressives; you like the look and feel of The Progressive Movement but don?t really care because you make out whatever way you go. You like the way things are but must keep up appearances. A totally self centered bunch who hate the real dirty work of Democracy.
We need to get your kind of people out of the leadership as you haven?t done one damn good thing that I recall. Move over and let the real people that represent this whole country take over. There are far more of us than you.
Now I know some of what Howard Dean has gone through. You are vicious and violent in the way you try to destroy someone life with you poisonous words.
You claim I am angry! Well you damn right I am and so is the rest of the country at YOU not me. Just why aren?t you angry. I say if you are not and don?t show it you are burying your emotions or you really don?t give a shit because either way you still make out.
You are losers who still demand to lead.
Calling all Attorneys?!
I called for all attorneys? July 29, 2007 to see the movie Zeitgeist. I put it in everywhere.
I had a running battle with the neocons keeping it on the list and I won!
I knew when they stopped deleting it in Washington DC I was victorious.
Attorneys' smell money and blood and an interesting case.
That is what they live for.
This is s battle for the planet and Zeitgeist is proof of crime.
Because so many have already seen my adds and the movie it will it is already too late for you elitist scum.
Instead of staying scum join us to build the new world. It will be far more profitable and really fun.
Yes you will lose most of your money but you will still be rich and safe from harm.
I propose we end this fight and start building now.
Because the crimes are so great and have been going on for so long, how do you prosecute?
There is no punishment to fit the crimes so we are left with this.
How do we do it so you won't be seeking to harm us anymore?
We don't need another Germany!
I propose we do it like South Africa did, remembering crime, confession and closure. Forgiveness will take time but your help in good faith will go a long way to healing the rift.
It is the only way I see to get out of the holocaust that could follow and the quickest way to get through the coming world depression.
You all weren?t? around when this all started. All your lives you knew of nothing but being as you are. Many of you don?t know any better but, you will have to be able to show that you won?t continue the perverse upbringing many of you experienced.
Your offspring will have to truly be people of the world and be trained as people who join the rest of us. That is your responsibility! If you don?t know how there is plenty of help out there to do so.
You need to know you will be safe and we need your money.
I think that is a very fair trade for all the suffering you have caused. You have done so much wrong.
Live and let live or we all die!
We are entering a new age and I have bought this about.
I believe you will make the right decision as the consequences are so devastating. The world is exploding because of what you?ve done, and you will get caught in the fallout. But do a good will gesture to the world and the time will be considerably better. Start helping to repair what you have done and that will go considerably toward healing the wound. You won?t have to look over your shoulder so much.
Don't think about declaring martial law as too many people know already what you are doing.
We need to act as fast as possible if we are to avoid the horrible loss of life that till come.
I saw a movie called After the Warming by James Burke on PBS in the late 80s. It changed the way I looked at the future and gave me a resolve to do something about it before it was too late. This movie blew my mind with the scope of the devastation of the globe and horrible loss of life,
everyone should see it so you understand what I mean.
GORE IS THE BEST CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT ALONG WITH EDWARDS AS VP. Think of it as a chance to have another dream team like John and Bobby in power. These two guys will get us through the horrible effects of Global warming.
It is with this in mind I have chosen these two to do the job and along with whom they know I am certain they are the only game in town.
Gore is the only one who deserves it; he has always been my president. They both have the mettle it takes unlike any of their opponents. Edwards will be very busy helping Gore with the time we have left. Hillary is far too caught up in the DLC, corporatists of the Democratic Party.
Sorry Obama, you lost me on 8/1/07. You really said that? By the way, thanks very much Mister Kucinich, you deserve honor. You have been a lone voice in the wilderness and you are the best. The rest don't matter.
I firmly believe that the office of Vice President should be as the Presidents right hand man carrying out his policies and essentially become the White House chief of staff and the man who ensures policy is followed. The hired gun if you will.
The VP should be a job of grooming rather than just a political boot licker. I strongly say that it needs far better men than we have seen.
They must have the resume to the job and maybe a civil service grade.
They are the only ones that can push this through with the right people.
We can all live, that is the beauty of it.
I guess I invite it when I am so outspoken. No I don't have a problem with anger and usually don't get so, though what has happened with our political situation has gotten me to that. i have watched it for years corrupted by pseudo-progressives, the real leaders of our party. I wrote this blurb in response to their attacks on me.
I hope this will open eyes and strengthen resolves.
I have also included the plan and directions for this revolution.
let me know what you think. Tim
Tim from Zeitgeist Says:
Well just what have you done lately to change the world? You claim vitriol but claim waking up a complacent public. You want nicy nice words but what has it gotten you?
I have done what you have never dreamed of doing in promoting Zeitgeist and giving suggestion as to what direction to take. You told Peter that I claimed to have helped make it, NO such thing ever came from me. I have only been giving reason and direction to this revolution.
I truly believe the people you represent are the same ones who didn?t like Howard Dean for kicking asses and just look at the way you put the looser Kerry into play. By the way I knew he was your favorite from the start and I also knew he had no stomach for victory.
You don?t like me because I am telling about your kind like it is and pointing out your kinds failure after failure after failure at changing what has been going on. I have watched you do nothings loose the people their civil rights, their freedoms their government, their everything.
You are the reason for the failure of this Democracy.
I watched the Democratic Party for years choose intellectuals who may have been good men but because they had no appeal to the rest of us they were bound to lose.
You chose to have people like yourselves as candidates from the East coast with 0 appeal. You have deluded yourselves into thinking you are the only ones to govern even though your failures are uncountable.
I call your kind Pseudo-Progressives; you like the look and feel of The Progressive Movement but don?t really care because you make out whatever way you go. You like the way things are but must keep up appearances. A totally self centered bunch who hate the real dirty work of Democracy.
We need to get your kind of people out of the leadership as you haven?t done one damn good thing that I recall. Move over and let the real people that represent this whole country take over. There are far more of us than you.
Now I know some of what Howard Dean has gone through. You are vicious and violent in the way you try to destroy someone life with you poisonous words.
You claim I am angry! Well you damn right I am and so is the rest of the country at YOU not me. Just why aren?t you angry. I say if you are not and don?t show it you are burying your emotions or you really don?t give a shit because either way you still make out.
You are losers who still demand to lead.
Calling all Attorneys?!
I called for all attorneys? July 29, 2007 to see the movie Zeitgeist. I put it in everywhere.
I had a running battle with the neocons keeping it on the list and I won!
I knew when they stopped deleting it in Washington DC I was victorious.
Attorneys' smell money and blood and an interesting case.
That is what they live for.
This is s battle for the planet and Zeitgeist is proof of crime.
Because so many have already seen my adds and the movie it will it is already too late for you elitist scum.
Instead of staying scum join us to build the new world. It will be far more profitable and really fun.
Yes you will lose most of your money but you will still be rich and safe from harm.
I propose we end this fight and start building now.
Because the crimes are so great and have been going on for so long, how do you prosecute?
There is no punishment to fit the crimes so we are left with this.
How do we do it so you won't be seeking to harm us anymore?
We don't need another Germany!
I propose we do it like South Africa did, remembering crime, confession and closure. Forgiveness will take time but your help in good faith will go a long way to healing the rift.
It is the only way I see to get out of the holocaust that could follow and the quickest way to get through the coming world depression.
You all weren?t? around when this all started. All your lives you knew of nothing but being as you are. Many of you don?t know any better but, you will have to be able to show that you won?t continue the perverse upbringing many of you experienced.
Your offspring will have to truly be people of the world and be trained as people who join the rest of us. That is your responsibility! If you don?t know how there is plenty of help out there to do so.
You need to know you will be safe and we need your money.
I think that is a very fair trade for all the suffering you have caused. You have done so much wrong.
Live and let live or we all die!
We are entering a new age and I have bought this about.
I believe you will make the right decision as the consequences are so devastating. The world is exploding because of what you?ve done, and you will get caught in the fallout. But do a good will gesture to the world and the time will be considerably better. Start helping to repair what you have done and that will go considerably toward healing the wound. You won?t have to look over your shoulder so much.
Don't think about declaring martial law as too many people know already what you are doing.
We need to act as fast as possible if we are to avoid the horrible loss of life that till come.
I saw a movie called After the Warming by James Burke on PBS in the late 80s. It changed the way I looked at the future and gave me a resolve to do something about it before it was too late. This movie blew my mind with the scope of the devastation of the globe and horrible loss of life,
everyone should see it so you understand what I mean.
GORE IS THE BEST CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT ALONG WITH EDWARDS AS VP. Think of it as a chance to have another dream team like John and Bobby in power. These two guys will get us through the horrible effects of Global warming.
It is with this in mind I have chosen these two to do the job and along with whom they know I am certain they are the only game in town.
Gore is the only one who deserves it; he has always been my president. They both have the mettle it takes unlike any of their opponents. Edwards will be very busy helping Gore with the time we have left. Hillary is far too caught up in the DLC, corporatists of the Democratic Party.
Sorry Obama, you lost me on 8/1/07. You really said that? By the way, thanks very much Mister Kucinich, you deserve honor. You have been a lone voice in the wilderness and you are the best. The rest don't matter.
I firmly believe that the office of Vice President should be as the Presidents right hand man carrying out his policies and essentially become the White House chief of staff and the man who ensures policy is followed. The hired gun if you will.
The VP should be a job of grooming rather than just a political boot licker. I strongly say that it needs far better men than we have seen.
They must have the resume to the job and maybe a civil service grade.
They are the only ones that can push this through with the right people.
We can all live, that is the beauty of it.
Really enjoying the movie so far. Want to learn more!
Greetings all,
I have written a review and thought-piece of this movie that can be read here. I encourage anyone interested to check it out.
-st
I have written a review and thought-piece of this movie that can be read here. I encourage anyone interested to check it out.
-st
uhh, are people just singing up for CC to blab about Zeitgiest? what's the deal?
Thank you for posting the link to your review stfrequency!
What I love about Zeitgeist the movie is that it opens the mind to possibilities. I don't necessarily believe all that it reports -- I suggest that all who view it also read the review posted above by stfrequency.
Boy have I got a party for you all. This is the party to end all parties, it is to usher out the neocons!!!
And no I do not side with Marxism Leninism, except for John, Communism, Nazism, Masonism, nor so called Illuminati/Zionism. They are all the same bunch of rubbish that came from the same source.
Read my piece on the history of people who seem to have had the same implements and temples as Masons over 80,000 years ago! Do you know of any other verifiable, at least with a historical context to read, group who has existed so long?
The biggest thing about Zeitgeist for me is that it starts the dialog to check these things out for ourselves while we still have an internet to check it on! We need the below before they shut the whole damn thing down. I am as serious as a crutch as we say! The US Justice department has now come out publicly for a two tier internet. it cannot get anymore critical than that.
It is now or never!
The Revolution is Now, use it or loose it!
World Party and Family Revolt.
I have news of a new day and time for a World Party to take our country! I figure we have at least 2 weeks of good weather left and now it is clear that the government will do nothing about Iraq and our children dying there. This will be a Family Revolt!
I read a post on Craigslist that was up a few minutes before being deleted. It stated that the crew used Bush's weapons codes and that the Air Force was looking to make arrests, Also they didn't want any unfortunate incidents to blow the country up and that was the reason for the stand down on that day. I see that a number of the ground crew are now dead, wonder just who is involved in this?
I do believe we just avoided the overthrow we have been looking for. I believe the Officers who talked are hero?s and should be honored as such.
I am telling you all they are ripe for the picking. They are ripe for a fall; all it will take is for us to use the most powerful weapon on this planet, the American People! We can do this before Christmas, wouldn't that be great!
I am glad to see that this secret was told, our country is dying because of such secrets.
I am, calling for families especially to go to visit DC over the next two weeks and stay! If they ask us to leave we can say NO not till Bush, Cheney and Rice resign!
Just what could they do if a million families just showed up in DC on a lark and refused to leave?
I will be calling for a world party on the 30th to take back our government or maybe the next week if this isn?t doable.
I would like to hear others sound out on the list about this!
Moveon.org members especially, I encourage you to support this action. The Dems have slapped you; just what will they do next? This is the time to use what you have to finally take care of these scum suckers. Let us take our country and go into a new age of mankind, an age of freedom and peace never before seen on this Earth.
You have an opportunity never seen before anywhere and never will be seen again!
Many of you are tired and so are all of us. Just get it up one more time for yourselves and trust yourselves and have faith in yourselves. This will win it.
In this action they?re weapons would be useless as if just one child and mother were injured I believe the Neocons would be immediately shot down. If just a few seconds of a child in a woman?s arms being pushed or beaten could bring this government down. This I believe will work.
Ask people you know what they think and get back to me. We can do this if we all hang together or we hang separately, no matter what we will all surely hang!
I think I can get the so called progressive talk show hosts to support it now. I sure will give it a try.
I figure there is a lot of blood on their hands for not supporting the march and I will hit them with this!
Below is the biggest selling point I figure and it would go to the heart of every family in the nation and the world.
March on Washington to have the best holiday season in history!
We have all suffered badly these past years and it time to turn our frowns into smiles. In one felt swoop we can change the future so everyone can know what happiness is again. Aren?t the people sick of feeling bad? Well this is the cure you need. Go to DC and shop your problems away and shut down the government and change the future just for fun! Go to the party to end all parties and save the world while you are there.
WASHINGTON IN 07 AND PARTY THE NEOCONS AWAY!!!
Just think of how much more blessed the holidays will be with the downfall of the Neocons. Tell everyone you know.
THIS WILL TRULY BE THE MOST BLESSED HOLIDAY SEASON EVER SEEN!
Welcome the troop?s home before the holidays; it can happen if you do it!
It ain?t gonna get better till we take out the trash!
Let me know what you think!
Catch my rants at http://www.11thday.org
click the picture then Zeitgeist!
The Revolution is Now! Tim for Zeitgeist
9/21/07
_________________
NOW THAT MEN ARE ACTING, EVIL WILL FLEE.
And no I do not side with Marxism Leninism, except for John, Communism, Nazism, Masonism, nor so called Illuminati/Zionism. They are all the same bunch of rubbish that came from the same source.
Read my piece on the history of people who seem to have had the same implements and temples as Masons over 80,000 years ago! Do you know of any other verifiable, at least with a historical context to read, group who has existed so long?
The biggest thing about Zeitgeist for me is that it starts the dialog to check these things out for ourselves while we still have an internet to check it on! We need the below before they shut the whole damn thing down. I am as serious as a crutch as we say! The US Justice department has now come out publicly for a two tier internet. it cannot get anymore critical than that.
It is now or never!
The Revolution is Now, use it or loose it!
World Party and Family Revolt.
I have news of a new day and time for a World Party to take our country! I figure we have at least 2 weeks of good weather left and now it is clear that the government will do nothing about Iraq and our children dying there. This will be a Family Revolt!
I read a post on Craigslist that was up a few minutes before being deleted. It stated that the crew used Bush's weapons codes and that the Air Force was looking to make arrests, Also they didn't want any unfortunate incidents to blow the country up and that was the reason for the stand down on that day. I see that a number of the ground crew are now dead, wonder just who is involved in this?
I do believe we just avoided the overthrow we have been looking for. I believe the Officers who talked are hero?s and should be honored as such.
I am telling you all they are ripe for the picking. They are ripe for a fall; all it will take is for us to use the most powerful weapon on this planet, the American People! We can do this before Christmas, wouldn't that be great!
I am glad to see that this secret was told, our country is dying because of such secrets.
I am, calling for families especially to go to visit DC over the next two weeks and stay! If they ask us to leave we can say NO not till Bush, Cheney and Rice resign!
Just what could they do if a million families just showed up in DC on a lark and refused to leave?
I will be calling for a world party on the 30th to take back our government or maybe the next week if this isn?t doable.
I would like to hear others sound out on the list about this!
Moveon.org members especially, I encourage you to support this action. The Dems have slapped you; just what will they do next? This is the time to use what you have to finally take care of these scum suckers. Let us take our country and go into a new age of mankind, an age of freedom and peace never before seen on this Earth.
You have an opportunity never seen before anywhere and never will be seen again!
Many of you are tired and so are all of us. Just get it up one more time for yourselves and trust yourselves and have faith in yourselves. This will win it.
In this action they?re weapons would be useless as if just one child and mother were injured I believe the Neocons would be immediately shot down. If just a few seconds of a child in a woman?s arms being pushed or beaten could bring this government down. This I believe will work.
Ask people you know what they think and get back to me. We can do this if we all hang together or we hang separately, no matter what we will all surely hang!
I think I can get the so called progressive talk show hosts to support it now. I sure will give it a try.
I figure there is a lot of blood on their hands for not supporting the march and I will hit them with this!
Below is the biggest selling point I figure and it would go to the heart of every family in the nation and the world.
March on Washington to have the best holiday season in history!
We have all suffered badly these past years and it time to turn our frowns into smiles. In one felt swoop we can change the future so everyone can know what happiness is again. Aren?t the people sick of feeling bad? Well this is the cure you need. Go to DC and shop your problems away and shut down the government and change the future just for fun! Go to the party to end all parties and save the world while you are there.
WASHINGTON IN 07 AND PARTY THE NEOCONS AWAY!!!
Just think of how much more blessed the holidays will be with the downfall of the Neocons. Tell everyone you know.
THIS WILL TRULY BE THE MOST BLESSED HOLIDAY SEASON EVER SEEN!
Welcome the troop?s home before the holidays; it can happen if you do it!
It ain?t gonna get better till we take out the trash!
Let me know what you think!
Catch my rants at http://www.11thday.org
click the picture then Zeitgeist!
The Revolution is Now! Tim for Zeitgeist
9/21/07
_________________
NOW THAT MEN ARE ACTING, EVIL WILL FLEE.
try the movie called WAKING LIFE on for size......
I just tried watching this... 6 times! It stopped and wouldn't go any further at the same point everytime. My internet connection isn't the greatest, so I'm sure that's it. I really wanted to watch this! Boooooooo!!!
Sorry about that darlin! If you google Zeitgeist movie downloads you
will find a site. Also oyu can download the whole movie from the bottom
of the Zeitgeist movie site.
Also date change.
DC WORLD PARTY OCT.6TH 2007
LET?S ROCK THEM OUT OF POWER.
Also date change.
DC WORLD PARTY OCT.6TH 2007
LET?S ROCK THEM OUT OF POWER.
PLEASE NOTE:
The poster called "timforzeitgeist" is allegedly nothing to do with the movie and some people are concerned that he is trying to discredit the film with his comment here and on other sites.
I'm actually disturbed that anyone would take that film seriously...
Bad logic and factual errors wrapped in an apocalyptic conspiracy theory makes for an entertaining tinfoil hat adventure, but it's the conspiracy theorist equivalent of Girls Gone Wild. Lots of flash, little substance.
As to religion, well... honestly everyone has a religion unless they're truly apathetic to the topic.
Every religion is a belief in something after death, atheism is a belief in nothing after death. Neither can be proved, hence both are accepted on faith.
Does anyone religion have it right? Is there any religion that hasn't borrowed or outright stolen from other religions?
Doubtful.
I suggest folks take any religion for what it is: a catalog of man-made ideas that are usually aimed at improving society by guiding people to act morally/ethically.
As for the lovely conspiracy theories, please remember that as a general rule: as the number of willing players supposedly involved increases, the possibility for the conspiracy theory to be true decreases exponentially.
What's wrong with wearing tinfoil hats and hating on the Federal Reserve once in awhile? Did you actually watch the entire thing?
Nothing's wrong with tinfoil hat parties and hating on the Fed. But just because they incorporate a fun pastime doesn't make a loony story true.
If you want a conspiracy theory that's got a chance at being true, how about this: "President" Musharraf has declared a state of emergency in Pakistan specifically so he can crack down on his political opposition. By not really taking on the Taliban and instead silencing political dissenters, he's showing that he views these insurgents and tribal factions to be manageable, while he views the pro-democracy movement to be his greatest threat. Makes sense, because as long as their is an Islamic threat in Pakistan (real or perceived), the US will continue to fill his coffers.
See it's a conspiracy, but it really only involves one guy with the ability to make it happen, the facts support it and it's not really that big a stretch. Not nearly as sexy as zeitgeist, but real life is rarely as interesting as fantasy.
JUST WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE YOU DIRTY LYING BUGGER!
When will you shills stop stooping to your slanderous and libelous comments without one shred of proof! You scummy buggers have been spreading lies about me every where and now it is time to bust you all up. You freaks have had my last nerve and now I will tell all.
You buggers have blood on your hands from the troops who will die, the Iraqi’s that will die, the people around the world who will die from terrorism, the people whose families will suffer everywhere because of your failure, to the people who will die and suffer because there is no one to pass a medical bill that would have saved their lives and the list goes on and on because you failed to support his march.
Let all their deaths be on your collective heads because you denied them relief.
I have all my E-mails with Peter to show how much he supported me till you scum lied to him about me. Oh yes I am aware of the enormous pressure you put on this poor man to separate support from me. You dirty buggers avalanched him with E-mails telling him you wouldn't support Zeitgeist unless I was out of the picture. He told me about some of them so blow off on me not being connected with him.
As far as I know I was the only one ever invited by Peter to join him in an interview on the radio. It was Jeff Farias's show on Nova M. Have any of you scum got anything like that to your credit? I have been here from the beginning with Peter’s ongoing support until recently. I know what you told him at the march on Washington on Sept. 15th. I also know how you pushed him not to support his own Revolt on the 6th of Oct.
Folks they got Peter W of Zeitgeist to screw himself out of his own revolt. For 4 months I worked like a dog to hand Peter his revolt on a silver platter, all he had to do was support it and all this crap happening now would have been done with. I could have had a rest.
I am so mad at these fools for blowing the last good chance anywhere to change the world in one single step. I kid you not! I had it all planned for almost 40 years and knew when to strike and free the world. I studied and planned all that was needed to win all of us our freedom. No messiah just someone who learned to use his head for the truth at an early age. It just took brain power to do all this.
This to Peter:
You threw your revolt away for what? I proved to you time and again I had it covered you were a fool to mistrust me. I helped bring you over 50 million views and this is how you treat me. You even deny me any credit for all my work now. What a suck up to these people!
Hey how about that screening, did your friends help you pay for that?
I planned the World Party and Family Revolt. I made it so easy for so called progressive and truth movement leaders to support it and succeed it was a sin.
I invited everyone within distance of DC to bring their families and occupy the city with the millions of people in the DC area and all the others that could have made it. I invited the world everywhere I could to come to America and free the world and shut the government down! I even had it planned so the soldiers and police would eventually help us.
I figured out how to revolt without casualties. The secret was that Families would never be touched by the Bushies as any mother with child that was pushed or beaten on camera would have won us the day especially if they were white, not prejudice just fact.
I invited everyone to bring cameras and document everything that happened and even help the authorities in capturing violent disruptive people. It was all about winning hearts and minds.
I invited everyone to shop at local businesses to build support and keep them from minding us there. We could have been there for a while and it would have been courteous to do so.
It would have ushered in the best Holiday season in the history of America.
I called for vendors to get ready for the crowds. Like I said I had it all planned with safety for all as my first priority.
I knew from what I had detected it was the right plan that would have worked at that right time.
So why didn't these so called progressive and so called truth movement leaders support it?
I was told point blank it was because I was involved in it.
Think about it for a second, they didn't support a plan that was guaranteed to work that would have ended this nightmare in one step because of me.
My God, how did I become so dangerous that they would deny the American public their last best and safest chance to change this country forever yet they refused to support all of us. If they didn't tell you to support it they screwed you all.
Ask yourselves just what the hell happened and why did they deny all Americans their future for your families and your children especially? I will tell you the story below!
Folks on this great blog:
Here are the facts about many of these so called truth movement and progressive leaders.
First of all many of these scum are hard core right wing racists and La Rouche Libertarians who think nothing about denying us our freedom. They would be loathe to see the full aspects of this Zeitgeist revolt ever instituted. They only support the aspects that would give them cause to start their violent overthrow of your government.
Nazis and Mason Zionists, yes they all come from the same perverted root and not all Zionists are Jews., always find someone to attack and attempt to dominate! They breed and live in utter chaos and make millions off the so called truth movement. They don't want this to end too quickly, too many mouths to feed Eh? They have stretched this on for years already and really would not support a final change that doesn't' give them the dollars they so desire.
Many are truly a blood thirsty crowd.
As to these so called progressive leaders and talk show hosts in the Air America mold, all you have to do is ask why they didn’t tell you about all this years ago when they knew the truth.
They and all the democratic leaders knew how we the people had been screwed by the Elitists with approval of the Democratic Party.
See the movie The Money Masters. See it here as it is hard to find with google video. It is a college reference that came out years ago and is mind numbing with its factual backup of Zeitgeist truth.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5153 19560256183936&q=The+Money+Masters.&t otal=553&start=0&num=10&so=0& type=search&plindex=0
Copy and paste the link to the address bar as links don't work here.
It describes the Elitists conspiracy with devastating consequences for all of us.
This has been going on for eon's and this is just the tip of the iceberg. It lays out the whole plan in distinct words and quotes from the perpetrators them selves. It is a mind f...
The jealousy of these people is out of sight. It is mind numbing to me just how low they will go. The other day on Craigslist Thom Hartman or someone who knows in his organization slandered me and accused me of being some freak who calls to yell on the air about the Federal Reserve. I have never yelled or carried on air in all my life! Just why does he need to yell at you Thom, why don't you want to discuss the truth about the fed. Is it that you are too fat for your profits to really ever want change?
Randy Rhodes is another. She saw the conspiracy in action in the military and was aware of this conspiracy. She couldn’t avoid seeing the truth in her own research yet she told you all nothing about it. WHY? The truth was very easy to find.
These are just a few of these so called progressives that just do not fit their moniker.
How about those folks at MOVEON.org?
I invited them to change the world with Peter and I and they didn't so much as offer me the courtesy of a response. Just why wouldn't they support a revolt that would have given them everything they wanted or so we have been led to believe. I think they have gotten too big for their britches and are just a little greedy for power. I think unless the approved leaders of their movement are in charge and can gain the glory, they won't really support any real change, not to their benefit!
Political power as they know have is quite intoxicating if you don't watch yourselves. You need a lot of maturity to do it right.
As it is I have supplied documentary evidence in film for all to research and find the truth for themselves for my claims. I don't ask people to just believe me but the proof I always supply. I always try to backup what I claim. I have been a truth seeker longer than many of these up and coming newbies. They lack the knowledge and wisdom to do more. They just don't have enough time to really understand what is being told them, that’s why I have run rough shod on them for lying to the people I am old enough to know how to rum em good!
I will out the lies as well as the truth for all the people to see.
I have circumvented them and brought the truth to you directly with out their help and support or and avoiding their obstructions.
I have proved my claims. I have been forthcoming and honest with you from the beginning.
I have stated my purposes from the beginning and told you all about me and why I am doing this. Have they been as forthcoming with their goals and purposes as I have been? Just ask yourself just what is their purpose in destroying my reputation with lies.
Ask yourselves just why did it take someone like me to get this done in fact why was it left up to me when it could have been done by so many more qualified?
Why am I the one left to tell you this.
Just what the hell is the matter with these people!
I have said enough for now but you can read more of my thoughts at 11thday.org and the Military Times Forum.
http://p071.ezboard.com/Discuss-Zeitgeist/fdr umsofwar86845frm11
http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/index.php
look for my posts especially under B-52.... and Elections and Politics as well as others. Just look for Tim for Zeitgeist
You will have to copy and paste as the links don't work on this blog.
I am announcing my
Winter Campaign of Truth
so stay tuned at my blogs and on Craigslist.
The Revolution is Now! Pass it on.
As always people of America I remain your most loyal servant
Tim Winckler for Zeitgeist
When will you shills stop stooping to your slanderous and libelous comments without one shred of proof! You scummy buggers have been spreading lies about me every where and now it is time to bust you all up. You freaks have had my last nerve and now I will tell all.
You buggers have blood on your hands from the troops who will die, the Iraqi’s that will die, the people around the world who will die from terrorism, the people whose families will suffer everywhere because of your failure, to the people who will die and suffer because there is no one to pass a medical bill that would have saved their lives and the list goes on and on because you failed to support his march.
Let all their deaths be on your collective heads because you denied them relief.
I have all my E-mails with Peter to show how much he supported me till you scum lied to him about me. Oh yes I am aware of the enormous pressure you put on this poor man to separate support from me. You dirty buggers avalanched him with E-mails telling him you wouldn't support Zeitgeist unless I was out of the picture. He told me about some of them so blow off on me not being connected with him.
As far as I know I was the only one ever invited by Peter to join him in an interview on the radio. It was Jeff Farias's show on Nova M. Have any of you scum got anything like that to your credit? I have been here from the beginning with Peter’s ongoing support until recently. I know what you told him at the march on Washington on Sept. 15th. I also know how you pushed him not to support his own Revolt on the 6th of Oct.
Folks they got Peter W of Zeitgeist to screw himself out of his own revolt. For 4 months I worked like a dog to hand Peter his revolt on a silver platter, all he had to do was support it and all this crap happening now would have been done with. I could have had a rest.
I am so mad at these fools for blowing the last good chance anywhere to change the world in one single step. I kid you not! I had it all planned for almost 40 years and knew when to strike and free the world. I studied and planned all that was needed to win all of us our freedom. No messiah just someone who learned to use his head for the truth at an early age. It just took brain power to do all this.
This to Peter:
You threw your revolt away for what? I proved to you time and again I had it covered you were a fool to mistrust me. I helped bring you over 50 million views and this is how you treat me. You even deny me any credit for all my work now. What a suck up to these people!
Hey how about that screening, did your friends help you pay for that?
I planned the World Party and Family Revolt. I made it so easy for so called progressive and truth movement leaders to support it and succeed it was a sin.
I invited everyone within distance of DC to bring their families and occupy the city with the millions of people in the DC area and all the others that could have made it. I invited the world everywhere I could to come to America and free the world and shut the government down! I even had it planned so the soldiers and police would eventually help us.
I figured out how to revolt without casualties. The secret was that Families would never be touched by the Bushies as any mother with child that was pushed or beaten on camera would have won us the day especially if they were white, not prejudice just fact.
I invited everyone to bring cameras and document everything that happened and even help the authorities in capturing violent disruptive people. It was all about winning hearts and minds.
I invited everyone to shop at local businesses to build support and keep them from minding us there. We could have been there for a while and it would have been courteous to do so.
It would have ushered in the best Holiday season in the history of America.
I called for vendors to get ready for the crowds. Like I said I had it all planned with safety for all as my first priority.
I knew from what I had detected it was the right plan that would have worked at that right time.
So why didn't these so called progressive and so called truth movement leaders support it?
I was told point blank it was because I was involved in it.
Think about it for a second, they didn't support a plan that was guaranteed to work that would have ended this nightmare in one step because of me.
My God, how did I become so dangerous that they would deny the American public their last best and safest chance to change this country forever yet they refused to support all of us. If they didn't tell you to support it they screwed you all.
Ask yourselves just what the hell happened and why did they deny all Americans their future for your families and your children especially? I will tell you the story below!
Folks on this great blog:
Here are the facts about many of these so called truth movement and progressive leaders.
First of all many of these scum are hard core right wing racists and La Rouche Libertarians who think nothing about denying us our freedom. They would be loathe to see the full aspects of this Zeitgeist revolt ever instituted. They only support the aspects that would give them cause to start their violent overthrow of your government.
Nazis and Mason Zionists, yes they all come from the same perverted root and not all Zionists are Jews., always find someone to attack and attempt to dominate! They breed and live in utter chaos and make millions off the so called truth movement. They don't want this to end too quickly, too many mouths to feed Eh? They have stretched this on for years already and really would not support a final change that doesn't' give them the dollars they so desire.
Many are truly a blood thirsty crowd.
As to these so called progressive leaders and talk show hosts in the Air America mold, all you have to do is ask why they didn’t tell you about all this years ago when they knew the truth.
They and all the democratic leaders knew how we the people had been screwed by the Elitists with approval of the Democratic Party.
See the movie The Money Masters. See it here as it is hard to find with google video. It is a college reference that came out years ago and is mind numbing with its factual backup of Zeitgeist truth.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5153 19560256183936&q=The+Money+Masters.&t otal=553&start=0&num=10&so=0& type=search&plindex=0
Copy and paste the link to the address bar as links don't work here.
It describes the Elitists conspiracy with devastating consequences for all of us.
This has been going on for eon's and this is just the tip of the iceberg. It lays out the whole plan in distinct words and quotes from the perpetrators them selves. It is a mind f...
The jealousy of these people is out of sight. It is mind numbing to me just how low they will go. The other day on Craigslist Thom Hartman or someone who knows in his organization slandered me and accused me of being some freak who calls to yell on the air about the Federal Reserve. I have never yelled or carried on air in all my life! Just why does he need to yell at you Thom, why don't you want to discuss the truth about the fed. Is it that you are too fat for your profits to really ever want change?
Randy Rhodes is another. She saw the conspiracy in action in the military and was aware of this conspiracy. She couldn’t avoid seeing the truth in her own research yet she told you all nothing about it. WHY? The truth was very easy to find.
These are just a few of these so called progressives that just do not fit their moniker.
How about those folks at MOVEON.org?
I invited them to change the world with Peter and I and they didn't so much as offer me the courtesy of a response. Just why wouldn't they support a revolt that would have given them everything they wanted or so we have been led to believe. I think they have gotten too big for their britches and are just a little greedy for power. I think unless the approved leaders of their movement are in charge and can gain the glory, they won't really support any real change, not to their benefit!
Political power as they know have is quite intoxicating if you don't watch yourselves. You need a lot of maturity to do it right.
As it is I have supplied documentary evidence in film for all to research and find the truth for themselves for my claims. I don't ask people to just believe me but the proof I always supply. I always try to backup what I claim. I have been a truth seeker longer than many of these up and coming newbies. They lack the knowledge and wisdom to do more. They just don't have enough time to really understand what is being told them, that’s why I have run rough shod on them for lying to the people I am old enough to know how to rum em good!
I will out the lies as well as the truth for all the people to see.
I have circumvented them and brought the truth to you directly with out their help and support or and avoiding their obstructions.
I have proved my claims. I have been forthcoming and honest with you from the beginning.
I have stated my purposes from the beginning and told you all about me and why I am doing this. Have they been as forthcoming with their goals and purposes as I have been? Just ask yourself just what is their purpose in destroying my reputation with lies.
Ask yourselves just why did it take someone like me to get this done in fact why was it left up to me when it could have been done by so many more qualified?
Why am I the one left to tell you this.
Just what the hell is the matter with these people!
I have said enough for now but you can read more of my thoughts at 11thday.org and the Military Times Forum.
http://p071.ezboard.com/Discuss-Zeitgeist/fdr umsofwar86845frm11
http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/index.php
look for my posts especially under B-52.... and Elections and Politics as well as others. Just look for Tim for Zeitgeist
You will have to copy and paste as the links don't work on this blog.
I am announcing my
Winter Campaign of Truth
so stay tuned at my blogs and on Craigslist.
The Revolution is Now! Pass it on.
As always people of America I remain your most loyal servant
Tim Winckler for Zeitgeist
This is all true they want me murdered folks.
They are scared to death of me now., it can all be checked and they want the truth stopped!
Tell everyone you know, they want the truth stopped!
What do you say about this America?
Tell them how you feel about it.
I need your help America to finish this revolt and help us all free ourselves from the tyranny! Let the Mason/Zionists know how you feel about them!
It is time to stand up for yourselves and freedom. It is time for you to wake up and free your own world!
Tim Winckler
To those of you lying about the truth, tough, it is all historically accurate.
Hey folks guess just how scared of what I am saying they are, they just posted my address so they believe someone can kill me. Well truth be told, I live in a neighborhood where I have many eyes and many friends. They watch my back so I can finish this. We are family and I wouldn't suggest you try to come up against them.
You could be at a stop light 10 years from now setting there thinking of a lovely day then a slight pressure behind your ear and and then all of a sudden you don't think anymore. That is how family is!
I got em on the run, everyone join in with the fun! You no longer have to fear these stupid *. I have opened the floodgates to wash them away!
If you are against Zionism now is the time to strike with everything you have got. Freedom for the world is at hand!
THEY ARE NOW DOABLE SO GO FOR IT EVERYONE1
Update*******
Hey Zionist fools!
I just got done taking down one of your finest on the radio for all to hear!
I put the fool down and showed him a fraud.
Never had a better time cutting one of you Zionist fools to shreds.
Jeff was laughing too in the end.
Score one for humanity against the most vile scum on the planet.
You can catch the fireworks tomorrow in Jeff Farias's Archives below. just after the fool hung up 1st hour..
You can catch it below, 11/19/07
lmfaoarotmf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://novamradio.com/index.php?pid=27&hi d=1&qlt=hi
Don't you ever try to play your zionist BS games with me. I have been fighting you scum for too long to play up to that kind of crap!
You dirty buggers killed my family in Germany and Russia so you go to hell. This is a blood feud going on with you Mason/Zionist buggers.
You sent your proxies the Nazis after us so you could loot the wealth of European Jews.
You then used the holocaust as an act of Social Engineering to pack us all off to a God forsaken sand heap where you could manage us better and use us to increase your genocidal earned profits.
Every Jew who lost family in the war should know this and decide what they feel about this. This going through so called important people is worthless. Every Jew must know the truth of it and judge for themselves. For me you are nothing but cutthroats and murderers who have had the obstinance to believe you could ever rule any kind of world without destroying it. .You are complete and utter failures as leaders. It is time for you all to go!
Ve are good verkers aren’t ve heir Grantby. Ya vole! Ve make such good veapons for da Army!
Not good but it serves my point. After all Israel has one of the biggest arms industries.
You have never given a damn for us Jews and have tried to delude the people of the world.
I know the straight scoop on you thieving murdering buggers and I have already insured your eventual demise. Get a clue before this all hits you in the face. It is too late for you to fight with success; I have made sure of that already!!
I see where you have ramped up the propaganda to attack Iran; it will be to your peril because I can guarantee you that you’re Boy George will be asked to resign. Unless you start negotiating with everyone I wouldn't give you a chance in hell of survival. You all best mark my words; it is already too late for you to pull anything without being swept away for your stupidity.
You have made the bed for the unfortunate people in Israel; you have placed them in a trap.
Whatever happens to Israel let any responsibility be on your collective Zionist heads and no one else’s. You have done this evil vile thing and now you will atone according to the Law! It is coming you mark my words!
You conspired with the British to steal the land of Palestine and you conspired with and supplied the funds to all callers during the war, isn't that treason? You were best friends with the Nazi's and now follow their lead as far as tyranny is concerned. You are like twins it is so identical. You almost wear at least in public close to very near their posh designs. You are all such fashion plates.
When do you bring out your back shirts and boots eh, more stylish for your reign of terror?
I can hear the Zionist boot steps on the pavement getting ready for the final battle that will kill all Jews everywhere for even being associated with you scum. You have betrayed God and now he will get you.
As a Jew my stomach turned when I read this!
TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin’s political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.
Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin’s behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.
The public avowals of Begin’s party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.
Attack on Arab Village
A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants—240 men, women, and children—and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.
The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.
Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.
During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.
The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.
Discrepancies Seen
The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal.
In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin’s efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.
The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.
ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ,
HANNAH ARENDT,
ABRAHAM BRICK,
RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO,
ALBERT EINSTEIN,
HERMAN EISEN, M.D.,
HAYIM FINEMAN,
M. GALLEN, M.D.,
H.H. HARRIS,
ZELIG S. HARRIS,
SIDNEY HOOK,
FRED KARUSH,
BRURIA KAUFMAN,
IRMA L. LINDHEIM,
NACHMAN MAISEL,
SEYMOUR MELMAN,
MYER D. MENDELSON, M.D.,
HARRY M. OSLINSKY,
SAMUEL PITLICK,
FRITZ ROHRLICH,
LOUIS P. ROCKER,
RUTH SAGIS, ITZHAK
SANKOWSKY,
I.J. SHOENBERG,
SAMUEL SHUMAN,
M. SINGER,
IRMA WOLFE,
STEFAN WOLFE.
New York, Dec. 2, 1948
_________________
NOW THAT MEN ARE ACTING, EVIL WILL FLEE.
Tim Winckler
They are scared to death of me now., it can all be checked and they want the truth stopped!
Tell everyone you know, they want the truth stopped!
What do you say about this America?
Tell them how you feel about it.
I need your help America to finish this revolt and help us all free ourselves from the tyranny! Let the Mason/Zionists know how you feel about them!
It is time to stand up for yourselves and freedom. It is time for you to wake up and free your own world!
Tim Winckler
To those of you lying about the truth, tough, it is all historically accurate.
Hey folks guess just how scared of what I am saying they are, they just posted my address so they believe someone can kill me. Well truth be told, I live in a neighborhood where I have many eyes and many friends. They watch my back so I can finish this. We are family and I wouldn't suggest you try to come up against them.
You could be at a stop light 10 years from now setting there thinking of a lovely day then a slight pressure behind your ear and and then all of a sudden you don't think anymore. That is how family is!
I got em on the run, everyone join in with the fun! You no longer have to fear these stupid *. I have opened the floodgates to wash them away!
If you are against Zionism now is the time to strike with everything you have got. Freedom for the world is at hand!
THEY ARE NOW DOABLE SO GO FOR IT EVERYONE1
Update*******
Hey Zionist fools!
I just got done taking down one of your finest on the radio for all to hear!
I put the fool down and showed him a fraud.
Never had a better time cutting one of you Zionist fools to shreds.
Jeff was laughing too in the end.
Score one for humanity against the most vile scum on the planet.
You can catch the fireworks tomorrow in Jeff Farias's Archives below. just after the fool hung up 1st hour..
You can catch it below, 11/19/07
lmfaoarotmf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://novamradio.com/index.php?pid=27&hi d=1&qlt=hi
Don't you ever try to play your zionist BS games with me. I have been fighting you scum for too long to play up to that kind of crap!
You dirty buggers killed my family in Germany and Russia so you go to hell. This is a blood feud going on with you Mason/Zionist buggers.
You sent your proxies the Nazis after us so you could loot the wealth of European Jews.
You then used the holocaust as an act of Social Engineering to pack us all off to a God forsaken sand heap where you could manage us better and use us to increase your genocidal earned profits.
Every Jew who lost family in the war should know this and decide what they feel about this. This going through so called important people is worthless. Every Jew must know the truth of it and judge for themselves. For me you are nothing but cutthroats and murderers who have had the obstinance to believe you could ever rule any kind of world without destroying it. .You are complete and utter failures as leaders. It is time for you all to go!
Ve are good verkers aren’t ve heir Grantby. Ya vole! Ve make such good veapons for da Army!
Not good but it serves my point. After all Israel has one of the biggest arms industries.
You have never given a damn for us Jews and have tried to delude the people of the world.
I know the straight scoop on you thieving murdering buggers and I have already insured your eventual demise. Get a clue before this all hits you in the face. It is too late for you to fight with success; I have made sure of that already!!
I see where you have ramped up the propaganda to attack Iran; it will be to your peril because I can guarantee you that you’re Boy George will be asked to resign. Unless you start negotiating with everyone I wouldn't give you a chance in hell of survival. You all best mark my words; it is already too late for you to pull anything without being swept away for your stupidity.
You have made the bed for the unfortunate people in Israel; you have placed them in a trap.
Whatever happens to Israel let any responsibility be on your collective Zionist heads and no one else’s. You have done this evil vile thing and now you will atone according to the Law! It is coming you mark my words!
You conspired with the British to steal the land of Palestine and you conspired with and supplied the funds to all callers during the war, isn't that treason? You were best friends with the Nazi's and now follow their lead as far as tyranny is concerned. You are like twins it is so identical. You almost wear at least in public close to very near their posh designs. You are all such fashion plates.
When do you bring out your back shirts and boots eh, more stylish for your reign of terror?
I can hear the Zionist boot steps on the pavement getting ready for the final battle that will kill all Jews everywhere for even being associated with you scum. You have betrayed God and now he will get you.
As a Jew my stomach turned when I read this!
TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin’s political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.
Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin’s behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.
The public avowals of Begin’s party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.
Attack on Arab Village
A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants—240 men, women, and children—and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.
The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.
Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.
During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.
The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.
Discrepancies Seen
The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal.
In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin’s efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.
The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.
ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ,
HANNAH ARENDT,
ABRAHAM BRICK,
RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO,
ALBERT EINSTEIN,
HERMAN EISEN, M.D.,
HAYIM FINEMAN,
M. GALLEN, M.D.,
H.H. HARRIS,
ZELIG S. HARRIS,
SIDNEY HOOK,
FRED KARUSH,
BRURIA KAUFMAN,
IRMA L. LINDHEIM,
NACHMAN MAISEL,
SEYMOUR MELMAN,
MYER D. MENDELSON, M.D.,
HARRY M. OSLINSKY,
SAMUEL PITLICK,
FRITZ ROHRLICH,
LOUIS P. ROCKER,
RUTH SAGIS, ITZHAK
SANKOWSKY,
I.J. SHOENBERG,
SAMUEL SHUMAN,
M. SINGER,
IRMA WOLFE,
STEFAN WOLFE.
New York, Dec. 2, 1948
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NOW THAT MEN ARE ACTING, EVIL WILL FLEE.
Tim Winckler
This thread seems to be in a downward spiral right now.
The most important thing that I found in this thread was:
"I have found over and over that if you have enough random information - regardless of subject matter, you can find a way to either prove or disprove anything" posted by vthompson1
I saw this video a while ago and while I found it interesting to watch, it really didn't do much for me. I was born and raised in a Catholic family. Eventually I parted ways and now consider myself an Atheist. This kind of film 'should' appeal to me, but it doesn't.
Pseudo-quackery may have never been more dominant during human history than it is today, so videos like this bother me. I have always been interested in all religions, human history and mythology. I found many assumptions, incorrect dates and flat out lies within the video.
The most important thing that I found in this thread was:
"I have found over and over that if you have enough random information - regardless of subject matter, you can find a way to either prove or disprove anything" posted by vthompson1
I saw this video a while ago and while I found it interesting to watch, it really didn't do much for me. I was born and raised in a Catholic family. Eventually I parted ways and now consider myself an Atheist. This kind of film 'should' appeal to me, but it doesn't.
Pseudo-quackery may have never been more dominant during human history than it is today, so videos like this bother me. I have always been interested in all religions, human history and mythology. I found many assumptions, incorrect dates and flat out lies within the video.
you mention religion, are you just talking about the first part of the film or all of it?
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